Esther Dyson a écrit:
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> Jim, any comments on http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17678.htm
Here's a passage from the news item:
"Free speech organizations say that the report
points to a lack of accountability in the
self-regulatory industry. Organizations such as
the ISPA are accountable only to their
members, work to their own guidelines and
policies, and have resisted calls for increased
public accountability."
Sounds about right. This is why people and groups from the public sector
receive nothing but prejudice and slander on this and other lists, and why
the leaders of ISP associations try to co-opt the voice of the public by
pretending to represent the end-users.
It's obvious that ISPs DO NOT represent the best interests of the end-users,
and that we need our own organizations, our own constituency in the DNSO,
and our own place in ICANN.
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> At 01:21 PM 04/02/99 +0000, Jim Dixon wrote:
> >On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Dave Crocker wrote:
> >
> >> At 08:11 AM 2/4/99 +0000, Jim Dixon wrote:
> >> >2 and that the proceedings of the ICANN board are private, which
> >> > is wholly inappropriate for a group holding a great public trust,
> >> > but appointed by a secret process and accountable to no one
> >>
> >> The claim of non-accountability is false in several regards.
> >
> >Well, perhaps you have a personal private definition of the term you
> >might want to share with us.
> >
> >In the UK the various Internet bodies are set up as companies limited
> >by guarantee. They have members. When the board suggests something
> >silly, they can be (and are) called to task by the members. If they
> >ignore the membership, one or all directors can be removed. That is,
> >the UK bodies are accountable in the normal sense of the term.
> >
> >Precisely who is the ICANN board accountable to? No one but
> >themselves.
> >
> >> As to secret selection processes, you might want to note that IETF and IAB
> >> appointments are through a group that deliberates in private and the the
> >> IETF and IAB have closed decision-making meetings.
> >
> >Be serious. We don't even know for sure how the ICANN board was
> >selected. Recall that Joe Simms testified to Congress that he didn't know.
> >
> >> These are by no means the only groups that behave in this fashion AND have
> >
> >I beg to differ. I know of no similar Internet group of any importance
> >selected by a similar secret process.
> >
> >> plenty of community support, but I thought the irony of being able to cite
> >> them in this context would be appealing.
> >
> >--
> >Jim Dixon Managing Director
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> >
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