Maybe for sombody in New York :-), but I thought it was a little nosy and
entirely inappropriate. I'd feel that way if it were CORE or ISOC
and not NSI. YMMV.
At 05:58 PM 6/14/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I thought it was a question of general interest, as (I hoped) were my own
>financial interests when I posted them some time ago.
>
>Esther
>
>
>At 01:48 AM 14/06/99 -0400, Richard J. Sexton wrote:
>>Esther did you mean to send that out to a couple of public mailing
>>lists or was that a late night slip of the finger that was supposed
>>to go to Jay only ?
>>
>>At 10:08 PM 6/13/99 -0400, Esther Dyson wrote:
>>>Jay -
>>>
>>>What made you stop consulting for NSI?
>>>
>>>Curiously,
>>>Esther Dyson
>>>
>>>At 06:25 PM 13/06/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Antony,
>>>>
>>>>For the most part, we agree.
>>>>
>>>>There are, however, a couple of points
>>>>I would like to comment on.
>>>>
>>>>Since you have addressed this email to me,
>>>>you seem to be implying that I am no longer
>>>>an independent voice. Nothing could be further
>>>>from the truth.
>>>>
>>>>Even when I was consulting for NSI (which ended
>>>>with the Berlin meeting), I was not paid to be a
>>>>"NSI Supporter." My role was to give NSI my views
>>>>on this fiasco, not the other way around!
>>>>
>>>>And while we agree that NSI has done some things
>>>>wrong, I don't persecute them for any original sin
>>>>(i.e. wild success with a competitive .com registry).
>>>>
>>>>Where we strongly disagree, however, is with the
>>>>cure. The real solution to this dilemma is a healthy
>>>>dose of competition for NSI, not top-heavy regulation.
>>>>For if you choose the latter, you subject everyone to
>>>>those powerful forces who would love to control this
>>>>wonderful thing we call the Internet.
>>>>
>>>>Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>>Jay Fenello
>>>>President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-943-0524
>>>>-----------------------------------------------
>>>>What's your .per(sm)? http://www.iperdome.com
>>>>
>>>>P.S. Please forward this to the DNSO list. I
>>>>believe that I have been involuntarily removed!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 04:16 PM 6/13/99 , Antony Van Couvering wrote:
>>>>>Don, Jay,
>>>>>
>>>>>Given the breathtakingly brazen stunts that NSI has pulled at the expense of
>>>>>the Internet community, I never thought it would be possible for ICANN to
>>>>>make them look like the aggrieved party. But lo, it has come to pass.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is getting sickening. I've never seen so many people who were
>>>>>completely right and never wrong as I've seen on these lists. Are there any
>>>>>independent voices out there?
>>>>>
>>>>>Who can really feel sorry for NSI after all the crap they've pulled?
>>>>>Practically no-one, I should think, except their employees. But who can
>>>>>support ICANN when they start censoring people? Even fewer (since they have
>>>>>fewer employees).
>>>>>
>>>>>Will the people from the IAHC/gTLD-MoU (and remember, I was founding Chair
>>>>>of PAB and spent a lot of time and effort to make that effort succeed), who
>>>>>now seem to all think that ICANN is a conclave of the purest wisest Solomons
>>>>>ever assembled, presumably because they are at present bashing NSI, never
>>>>>realize that:
>>>>>
>>>>>*The POC was a closed shop, a black box, unreadable and unknowable from the
>>>>>outside, intransigent against efforts to open it up and see the
>>>>>decision-making process
>>>>>
>>>>>*Making everyone sign the gTLD-MoU before they got to play was an horrific
>>>>>miscue and an affront to Internet stakeholders (hence my attempt to
>>>>>introduce a very watered-down "gTLD-MoU lite", consisting of a few
>>>>>unobjectionable principles - alas, to no effect).
>>>>>
>>>>>*If the POC hadn't forced CORE to charge $10K to anyone who wanted to become
>>>>>a registrar, which was done just to make sure that "unstable" people didn't
>>>>>join, but instead had charged, say, $500, like Nominet does in the UK, we
>>>>>wouldn't have had the Green Paper, the White Paper, or the ICANN, which is
>>>>>starting to act just like POC, but with less excuse since they have already
>>>>>seen that kind of thing fail.
>>>>>
>>>>>*Basically, NSI did try to torpedo the gTLD-MoU, but that's not why it
>>>>>failed. It failed because it was so bloody-mindedly stupid, and so paranoid
>>>>>about NSI that it started to act like NSI: paranoid, unaccountable,
>>>>
>>>>>mealy-mouthed.
>>>>>
>>>>>*That it's just possible that NSI doesn't realize how horribly they've
>>>>>treated everyone, that they actually think they're the good guys, and that
>>>>>therefore they should be encouraged to become part of the community and stop
>>>>>playing the spoiler.
>>>>>
>>>>>*That the POC has mostly itself to blame for the Green Paper and the White
>>>>>Paper and the plodding interference of the U.S. Government. Do you think
>>>>>Magaziner *wanted* to step into this minefield? All you had to do was let a
>>>>>few other people play with the ball, but you couldn't let yourself do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>AND ON THE OTHER SIDE
>>>>>
>>>>>Will the people who are NSI supporters - and most of them now admit they are
>>>>>paid - stop acting the fool and admit that:
>>>>>
>>>>>*Of course NSI did all it could to torpedo the gTLD-MoU, just as it is now
>>>>>dragging its heels to fullest possible extent with ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>>*The only reason NSI plays at all in this sandbox is because the only
>>>>>gorilla larger than it, the US Govt., is standing over it with a big stick.
>>>>>
>>>>>*That having secret lists of names they won't register, that not following
>>>>>the RFCs, that greeting every domain-name dispute with an army of lawyers,
>>>>>that charging the equivalent of a new registration to transfer a name to new
>>>>>registrar, that attempting to claim the whois database as their property,
>>>>>that replacing the InterNIC site without any warning, that crippling whois
>>>>>listings without any warning, and so on ad nauseum until we're all so sick
>>>>>of it we can hardly breathe, IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR.
>>>>>
>>>>>*That NSI has mostly itself to blame for the Green Paper and the White Paper
>>>>>and the plodding interference of the U.S. Govt. Again, do you think that
>>>>>Magaziner wanted to get in the middle of this thing? I know, because I was
>>>>>there, that almost any movement toward an accommodation with the gTLD-MoU
>>>>>would have led to negotiations that might have got us somewhere. But no.
>>>>>Given .com years ago, in a different universe far far away, NSI has latched
>>>>>on to it as if they actually earned it, which is truly laughable.
>>>>>
>>>>>And so Adult Supervision was definitely indicated. Hence the involvement of
>>>>>the U.S. Government. Unfortunately for all of us, the supervision, in the
>>>>>form of ICANN, is proving to be as puerile and short-sighted as their
>>>>>charges.
>>>>>
>>>>>This was the Internet, this beautiful gift to us all, and just look at the
>>>>>preposterous games these fools are playing with it, all these fools who are
>>>>>always right, all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>PASS THE SICK BAG.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Respectfully,
>>>>
>>>>Jay Fenello
>>>>President, Iperdome, Inc.� 404-943-0524
>>>>-----------------------------------------------
>>>>What's your .per(sm)? http://www.iperdome.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
>>>chairman, EDventure Holdings
>>>interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
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>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
>chairman, EDventure Holdings
>interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
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>104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
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