On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 07:55 -0500, Paul Tiseo wrote: > On 11/8/2010 8:00 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Its not a competition and when it comes to learning, everyone is a > > winner. :) > > You sure seem to want to put down differing opinion with a barrage of > links, some irrelevant.
Sorry I never said anything negative regarding PostgreSQL aside from its lack of backup/restore tools. If you look back and re-read your own posts. You made comments toward Firebirds documentation that were factually incorrect, regarding a lack of documentation. Using an adjective on list, that I would never type in public, as I find it to be very unprofessional. Much less make any similar claim or statement regarding PostgreSQL in any manner. > What makes you think I am unfamiliar with the history of databases? > Ever heard of "ass-u-me"? You made a comment about your perceived lack of documentation on Firebird. I am not assuming anything, that was your comment, talking about your knowledge and awareness of Firebirds documentation which I proved incorrect. If you haven't any clue about Firebirds documentation, I doubt you have any idea behind the history of database. I learned long ago, those who know show, and you showed rather well on list, a lack of knowledge, and an unprofessional stance with your initial comment. Might re-read your initial post which kicked this off ;) > Anyways, once you resort to a link of a biography of Jim Starkley as > supporting arguments, it's debatable whether you are here to listen or > win. Its debatable if you want to learn or just argue on list and be all around unprofessional. If you read any of the links and learned at all. Well you would not have made a comment regarding Firebirds documentation, as you did. Again Jim has pioneered things in Firebird that all database now use. Which is something covered in Firebirds documentation, that seems to not exist per some peoples perception :) > > However one December due in part to database corruption and inability to > > restore from a backup. > How does this cute anecdote relate to an analysis of Firebird vs. > Postgres? Its why having a backup tool/solution for any RDBMS is very core to me. Showing a real world example, and a painful learning lesson on my behalf. Hopefully so others might save themselves from a similar disaster. > Your opinion is that Postgres should not be used, Find where I said that. You can easily go back into the archives and find a link to where I typed that, ever. I have never told anyone not to use PostgreSQL. Simply made known that it lacks a backup/restore tool like others have. Thats it, I think the rest you might be assuming, reading more into what I typed, than the actual words reflect ;) > Firebird should, primarily because of poor backup capabilities. Again where did I say this? I simply stated what one lacked and another had. If we were talking about clustering or other stuff, the pros and cons would be different. > However, with a "best practices" Postgres installation, this would > not be a problem today. You would be able to restore your db to any > point in time thanks to its write ahead log. And, for the truly > worried, look for third-party products like Zmanda, which has a > Postgres agent. You do realize this is a discussion for someone learning SQL. They aren't going to start out with best practice for backing/up restoring a PostgreSQL database. Much less looking into third party solutions and offerings. > So, all your horror stories are greatly exaggerated. IMO opinion, of > course. But, please, maybe a link to a biography of some other database > personality is in order? You totally missed several points. My story had nothing to do with PostegreSQL. It was simply background on why I personally care so much about backing up and restoring databases. As for the biography on Jim, again if you read any Firebird documentation that has existed for decades including the stuff on InterBase. Then you would very well understand, but I haven't the time for you to see the light. Just write it off as random links, and my love affair with some guy I have never met. Just a fan for no reason and I like to type his name on public lists. Its fun ;) > > Funny, but its not about right or wrong, its about learning. I am more > > than happy to let people go about anything inaccurate. Way to many > > people doing things wrong to go around correcting everyone, much less > > doing it online ;) > > You have to learn the difference between "wrong" and "differing opinion". Love that you are telling me I need to learn. Well you might want to learn some more, and maybe your opinion might change. After all this list exists for learning purposes mainly. If your not hear to learn, follow links, and read documentation that does very much exist. Well thats entirely your call :) Now back to factual technical discussions and less opinions! -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-list&r=1&w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/maillist.xml Unsubscribe [email protected]
