James,
Good question.
I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get
OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away"
install for testing software.
However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live,
maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In
particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a
DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an
emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking
through all these issues).
On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:
What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live? (My
presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be
directly on the internet.)
My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and
database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and
experiment. This is different than how things would be properly
configured and secured as internet facing services.
When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way
to get started, try things, and see what can be done with the
software. However, they should really do their own install if they
plan to use it for production use.
On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...
On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
Cameron,
I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more
involved than I
may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a
time. It will
take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what
I can tell
the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?
Not quite:
Key Milestones
17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old
applications updated
15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)
05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working)
26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40
I won't be able to make the IRC
meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the
following week.
I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our
meeting details here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us
Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple
steps I can
start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you
think would be
good first steps?
I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for
building OSGeo-Live in the cloud.
First, see if it is possible.
Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be
automated so we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle.
Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud
install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work.
It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything
right. Our first USB release was considered beta and had known
issues and it took a few releases before we started recommending it.
As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.
@Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely
comfortable
with that route.
--Paul Ramirez
On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
(continuing on osgeolive email list)
Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting
of OSGeoLive
is a huge value add for the community, and something that
opens the door
for many other opportunities.
I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core
OSGeo-Live team
as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud
hosting a
central focus of our 7.0 release.
Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into
the greater
community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.
Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new
distribution platform.
I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and
someone such as
yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it
already, then
it is a win for everyone.
Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule
And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants
here:
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordi
nating.html
(This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify
spending time on
OSGeo-Live)
On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:
Paul,
If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to
commit it to the
svn repository directly (see
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion).
Or you can send
the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or
attach it to a
ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ )
Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should
continue the
discussion.
Thanks,
Alex
On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
Hi Alex,
Will definitely let the community know when this
is done. Fairly
certain
we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM
going and if you guys
want to add this documentation upstream in the
site that would be
great,
are you the person to send that type of
information to? This is
something
that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM
Depot side.
If we run into any snafus with the VM format that
can't be overcome
fairly
easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up
changing the VM
format
we'll push that upstream too.
Thanks,
Paul Ramirez
On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J)
wrote:
All,
Not sure who to ask but figured this list
could provide some insight.
I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and
make it available on VM Depot
[2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot
is really just a community
catalog of VMs that could be easily spun
up on Microsoft Azure. I
would
eventually like to do the same on Amazon
but for now this work aligns
with other efforts in my day job. It don't
think there will be that
much
effort involved in doing this but I wanted
to make sure that this
wasn't
already done by someone and that it was
okay to essentially
redistribute
this work.
The intended purpose of this is to help
make it easier for some NASA
Earth Science people I work with to have a
platform to explore these
technologies. We would eventually extend
on this VM with ways to
interact with NASA services/examples but
figured this was an easy
way to
get bootstrapped. The other motivation we
have is to infuse FOSS4G
technologies into our data systems so this
seemed like an avenue to
do
such a thing.
A little background on me. I was lucky
enough to be able to
participate
on the planning committee for this years
FOSS4G NA but unfortunately
sequestered and unable to attend.
Currently, I'm helping lead some
working groups within NASA that focus on
Geospatial efforts so my
motivation there is to help tie that
community to this one. I've
worked
for NASA for quite some time but over the
last 2 years have become
passionate about the open source efforts
in the geospatial community.
Essentially, I really want to make sure
that I credit OSGeo and all
the
people that did the work but at the same
time not infringe on their
efforts in any way. Any pointers,
thoughts, concerns, etc. would be
greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Paul Ramirez
[1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
[2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index
It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't
think anyone has done it
yet,
so you should and post back with the info for
the community. We can
even
add a link in the documentation about how to
create a VM on Azure
based
on the upload. We have talked about an EC2
instance also but no one
has
done that yet either.
Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM
drive in another format...
Thanks,
Alex
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