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On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) < [email protected]> wrote: > Alex, > > Agreed, thanks for scoping it! Will be starting actual work on it next > week. I'll throw some issues in Trac before I get started. > > --Paul > > On 6/2/13 9:22 AM, "Alex Mandel" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Considering we build in a virtual environment to begin with, I actually > >don't anticipate many issues. I don't think we're ever going to create a > >pure server version either though as I agree with James that such a > >system should be custom installed by someone who understands server > >security and resource management. Our scripts can be used as a guide to > >installing something once you've decided on your platform for deployment. > > > >What we can do in the VM we release: > >Install easy to use firewall (like gufw) to block outside connections by > >default. In our quickstart for cloud services, explain how to change the > >default password, setup ssh, ssh keys, configure the firewall, and > >remote into the VM (either ssh and/or remote desktop/vnc). > > > >This would allow users to experiment without needing to run a local > >virtual machine. > > > >Thanks, > >Alex > > > > > >On 06/01/2013 04:01 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: > >> James & Cameron, > >> > >> My intention was to start with the VM and make it available on VM Depot > >>and as an AMI so that it could be easily run on the respective cloud > >>platforms (Azure and Amazon). From there creating an OSGeo-Server > >>version on the cloud would seem to need more forethought and work put > >>into it. > >> > >> --Paul > >> > >> From: Cameron Shorter > >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > >> Date: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:47 PM > >> To: James Klassen > >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > >> Cc: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" > >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, JPL > >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > >> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot > >> > >> James, > >> Good question. > >> > >> I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get > >>OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away" > >>install for testing software. > >> > >> However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live, > >>maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In > >>particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a > >>DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an > >>emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking > >>through all these issues). > >> > >> On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote: > >> > >> What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live? (My > >>presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be directly > >>on the internet.) > >> > >> My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and > >>database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and > >>experiment. This is different than how things would be properly > >>configured and secured as internet facing services. > >> > >> When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way to > >>get started, try things, and see what can be done with the software. > >>However, they should really do their own install if they plan to use it > >>for production use. > >> > >> On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter" > >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> Paul, sorry for the delayed response ... > >> > >> On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: > >> Cameron, > >> > >> I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more involved than I > >> may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a time. It > >>will > >> take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what I can > >>tell > >> the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd? > >> Not quite: > >> > >> Key Milestones > >> > >> 17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old applications > >>updated > >> 15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated) > >> 05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working) > >> 26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers > >> > >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40 > >> > >> I won't be able to make the IRC > >> meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the following > >>week. > >> I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our meeting > >>details here: > >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us > >> > >> Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple steps I can > >> start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you think would be > >> good first steps? > >> > >> I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for building > >>OSGeo-Live in the cloud. > >> First, see if it is possible. > >> Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be automated so > >>we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle. > >> Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud > >>install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work. > >> > >> It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything right. > >>Our first USB release was considered beta and had known issues and it > >>took a few releases before we started recommending it. > >> > >> As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan. > >> > >> > >> @Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely comfortable > >> with that route. > >> > >> --Paul Ramirez > >> > >> > >> On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter" > >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> (continuing on osgeolive email list) > >> > >> Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting of OSGeoLive > >> is a huge value add for the community, and something that opens the door > >> for many other opportunities. > >> > >> I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core OSGeo-Live team > >> as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud hosting a > >> central focus of our 7.0 release. > >> Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into the greater > >> community to help debug issues on the cloud platform. > >> Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new distribution > >>platform. > >> > >> I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and someone such as > >> yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it already, then > >> it is a win for everyone. > >> > >> Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here: > >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule > >> > >> And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants here: > >> > >> > http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coord > >>i > >> nating.html > >> (This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify spending time on > >> OSGeo-Live) > >> > >> On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: > >> Paul, > >> > >> If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to commit it to the > >> svn repository directly (see > >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion). Or you can send > >> the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list ( > >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or attach it to a > >> ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ ) > >> > >> Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should continue the > >> discussion. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alex > >> > >> On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: > >> Hi Alex, > >> > >> Will definitely let the community know when this is done. Fairly > >> certain > >> we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going and if you guys > >> want to add this documentation upstream in the site that would be > >> great, > >> are you the person to send that type of information to? This is > >> something > >> that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM Depot side. > >> > >> If we run into any snafus with the VM format that can't be overcome > >> fairly > >> easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up changing the VM > >> format > >> we'll push that upstream too. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Paul Ramirez > >> > >> On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel" > >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > >> On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: > >> All, > >> > >> Not sure who to ask but figured this list could provide some insight. > >> I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it available on VM Depot > >> [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really just a community > >> catalog of VMs that could be easily spun up on Microsoft Azure. I > >> would > >> eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for now this work aligns > >> with other efforts in my day job. It don't think there will be that > >> much > >> effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make sure that this > >> wasn't > >> already done by someone and that it was okay to essentially > >> redistribute > >> this work. > >> > >> The intended purpose of this is to help make it easier for some NASA > >> Earth Science people I work with to have a platform to explore these > >> technologies. We would eventually extend on this VM with ways to > >> interact with NASA services/examples but figured this was an easy > >> way to > >> get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is to infuse FOSS4G > >> technologies into our data systems so this seemed like an avenue to > >> do > >> such a thing. > >> > >> A little background on me. I was lucky enough to be able to > >> participate > >> on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA but unfortunately > >> sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm helping lead some > >> working groups within NASA that focus on Geospatial efforts so my > >> motivation there is to help tie that community to this one. I've > >> worked > >> for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2 years have become > >> passionate about the open source efforts in the geospatial community. > >> > >> Essentially, I really want to make sure that I credit OSGeo and all > >> the > >> people that did the work but at the same time not infringe on their > >> efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts, concerns, etc. would be > >> greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> Paul Ramirez > >> > >> [1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html > >> [2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index > >> > >> > >> It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think anyone has done it > >> yet, > >> so you should and post back with the info for the community. We can > >> even > >> add a link in the documentation about how to create a VM on Azure > >> based > >> on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance also but no one > >> has > >> done that yet either. > >> > >> Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in another format... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alex > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Live-demo mailing list > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > >> http://live.osgeo.org > >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc > >> > >> -- > >> Cameron Shorter > >> Geospatial Solutions Manager > >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050> > >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<tel:%2B61%20%280%29419%20142%20254> > >> > >> Think Globally, Fix Locally > >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source > >> http://www.lisasoft.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cameron Shorter > >> Geospatial Solutions Manager > >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050> > >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<tel:%2B61%20%280%29419%20142%20254> > >> > >> Think Globally, Fix Locally > >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source > >> http://www.lisasoft.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Live-demo mailing list > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > >> http://live.osgeo.org > >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cameron Shorter > >> Geospatial Solutions Manager > >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 > >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 > >> > >> Think Globally, Fix Locally > >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source > >> http://www.lisasoft.com > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Live-demo mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > >http://live.osgeo.org > >http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc > > _______________________________________________ > Live-demo mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo > http://live.osgeo.org > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc >
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