Alex, Agreed, thanks for scoping it! Will be starting actual work on it next week. I'll throw some issues in Trac before I get started.
--Paul On 6/2/13 9:22 AM, "Alex Mandel" <[email protected]> wrote: >Considering we build in a virtual environment to begin with, I actually >don't anticipate many issues. I don't think we're ever going to create a >pure server version either though as I agree with James that such a >system should be custom installed by someone who understands server >security and resource management. Our scripts can be used as a guide to >installing something once you've decided on your platform for deployment. > >What we can do in the VM we release: >Install easy to use firewall (like gufw) to block outside connections by >default. In our quickstart for cloud services, explain how to change the >default password, setup ssh, ssh keys, configure the firewall, and >remote into the VM (either ssh and/or remote desktop/vnc). > >This would allow users to experiment without needing to run a local >virtual machine. > >Thanks, >Alex > > >On 06/01/2013 04:01 PM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: >> James & Cameron, >> >> My intention was to start with the VM and make it available on VM Depot >>and as an AMI so that it could be easily run on the respective cloud >>platforms (Azure and Amazon). From there creating an OSGeo-Server >>version on the cloud would seem to need more forethought and work put >>into it. >> >> --Paul >> >> From: Cameron Shorter >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Date: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:47 PM >> To: James Klassen >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Cc: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, JPL >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot >> >> James, >> Good question. >> >> I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get >>OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away" >>install for testing software. >> >> However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live, >>maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In >>particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a >>DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an >>emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking >>through all these issues). >> >> On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote: >> >> What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live? (My >>presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be directly >>on the internet.) >> >> My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and >>database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and >>experiment. This is different than how things would be properly >>configured and secured as internet facing services. >> >> When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way to >>get started, try things, and see what can be done with the software. >>However, they should really do their own install if they plan to use it >>for production use. >> >> On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter" >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Paul, sorry for the delayed response ... >> >> On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: >> Cameron, >> >> I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more involved than I >> may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a time. It >>will >> take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what I can >>tell >> the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd? >> Not quite: >> >> Key Milestones >> >> 17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old applications >>updated >> 15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated) >> 05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working) >> 26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers >> >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40 >> >> I won't be able to make the IRC >> meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the following >>week. >> I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our meeting >>details here: >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us >> >> Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple steps I can >> start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you think would be >> good first steps? >> >> I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for building >>OSGeo-Live in the cloud. >> First, see if it is possible. >> Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be automated so >>we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle. >> Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud >>install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work. >> >> It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything right. >>Our first USB release was considered beta and had known issues and it >>took a few releases before we started recommending it. >> >> As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan. >> >> >> @Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely comfortable >> with that route. >> >> --Paul Ramirez >> >> >> On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter" >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> (continuing on osgeolive email list) >> >> Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting of OSGeoLive >> is a huge value add for the community, and something that opens the door >> for many other opportunities. >> >> I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core OSGeo-Live team >> as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud hosting a >> central focus of our 7.0 release. >> Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into the greater >> community to help debug issues on the cloud platform. >> Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new distribution >>platform. >> >> I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and someone such as >> yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it already, then >> it is a win for everyone. >> >> Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here: >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule >> >> And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants here: >> >>http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coord >>i >> nating.html >> (This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify spending time on >> OSGeo-Live) >> >> On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote: >> Paul, >> >> If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to commit it to the >> svn repository directly (see >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion). Or you can send >> the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list ( >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or attach it to a >> ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ ) >> >> Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should continue the >> discussion. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex >> >> On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: >> Hi Alex, >> >> Will definitely let the community know when this is done. Fairly >> certain >> we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going and if you guys >> want to add this documentation upstream in the site that would be >> great, >> are you the person to send that type of information to? This is >> something >> that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM Depot side. >> >> If we run into any snafus with the VM format that can't be overcome >> fairly >> easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up changing the VM >> format >> we'll push that upstream too. >> >> Thanks, >> Paul Ramirez >> >> On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel" >><[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote: >> All, >> >> Not sure who to ask but figured this list could provide some insight. >> I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it available on VM Depot >> [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really just a community >> catalog of VMs that could be easily spun up on Microsoft Azure. I >> would >> eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for now this work aligns >> with other efforts in my day job. It don't think there will be that >> much >> effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make sure that this >> wasn't >> already done by someone and that it was okay to essentially >> redistribute >> this work. >> >> The intended purpose of this is to help make it easier for some NASA >> Earth Science people I work with to have a platform to explore these >> technologies. We would eventually extend on this VM with ways to >> interact with NASA services/examples but figured this was an easy >> way to >> get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is to infuse FOSS4G >> technologies into our data systems so this seemed like an avenue to >> do >> such a thing. >> >> A little background on me. I was lucky enough to be able to >> participate >> on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA but unfortunately >> sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm helping lead some >> working groups within NASA that focus on Geospatial efforts so my >> motivation there is to help tie that community to this one. I've >> worked >> for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2 years have become >> passionate about the open source efforts in the geospatial community. >> >> Essentially, I really want to make sure that I credit OSGeo and all >> the >> people that did the work but at the same time not infringe on their >> efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts, concerns, etc. would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Sincerely, >> Paul Ramirez >> >> [1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html >> [2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index >> >> >> It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think anyone has done it >> yet, >> so you should and post back with the info for the community. We can >> even >> add a link in the documentation about how to create a VM on Azure >> based >> on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance also but no one >> has >> done that yet either. >> >> Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in another format... >> >> Thanks, >> Alex >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Live-demo mailing list >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo >> http://live.osgeo.org >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc >> >> -- >> Cameron Shorter >> Geospatial Solutions Manager >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050> >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<tel:%2B61%20%280%29419%20142%20254> >> >> Think Globally, Fix Locally >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source >> http://www.lisasoft.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Cameron Shorter >> Geospatial Solutions Manager >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050<tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050> >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254<tel:%2B61%20%280%29419%20142%20254> >> >> Think Globally, Fix Locally >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source >> http://www.lisasoft.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Live-demo mailing list >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo >> http://live.osgeo.org >> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc >> >> >> >> -- >> Cameron Shorter >> Geospatial Solutions Manager >> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 >> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 >> >> Think Globally, Fix Locally >> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source >> http://www.lisasoft.com >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Live-demo mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo >http://live.osgeo.org >http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc _______________________________________________ Live-demo mailing list [email protected] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo http://live.osgeo.org http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
