Ken,
 Four relays to control a latching relay.
 It may work, for some time, but I promise a well protected 74C73 would be 
more reliable. The absolute requirement that there be zero current when not 
in use is something I just do not understand. Even if a voltage regulator 
chip was used to provide additional protection for the CMOS chip the power 
used would still be a lot less than the self discharge rate of even the best 
AGM batteries.
  Oh well. I guess I can never change Norm's requirements. After all it is 
his boat...

Eric Thompson
S/V Procrastinator
South San Francisco
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Latching relay control


> Always the same problem...(sigh).
>
> The real issue is that the normal methods of doing
> this use a small amount of sensing current, like a
> voltage divider, ect. and/or they involve
> semiconductors such as transistors and IC's.
>
> But I think I may know of a method that might work.
>
> It uses only very simple components, but it is a
> bit tricky.
>
> It involves using a sensitive polarity sensing
> reed relay with  two N.O. point sets, one set
> closes with one coil polarity the other closes
> with the other polarity. The coil is connected to
> a set of (prob in this case good sized)
> capacitors, connected like a voltage divider with
> one caps end at pos the others at neg and the two
> tied together at the other ends.
>
> (If needed two reed relays could be connected to
> the caps if a single polarity sensitive relay of
> the correct type cannot be had cheaply.)
>
> This middle point where the caps are connected
> together is connected through a resistor (to
> control the charge/discharge time of the caps)to
> the coil of the reed relay.
>
> The other end of this coil is connected to the
> input single wire control.
>
> When the input goes either pos or neg one of the
> caps charges pos and the other charges neg.
> Current flows through the reed relays coils as the
> caps do this, causing one set or the other of the
> N.O. points to close depending on the polarity of
> the single wire input.
>
> The points of the reed relay supplies power to one
> or the other of either of two further relay coils.
> These are small relays that do not use much power
> in their coils, necessary since the reed relays
> points cannot handle much current.
>
> These relays points are used to control the coils
> of the latching relays.
>
> So the reed relay senses the polarity of power as
> the capacitors charge in response to the single
> wire input voltage, and one set or the other of
> its points close in response.
>
> These points in turn energize another set of
> relays that can handle enough power to drive the
> latching relays.
>
> With no power on the single input wire, no current
> flows anywhere.
> When there is voltage of either polarity, only one
> set of latching relays driver coils is energized
> at a time and so only one set latching relay coils
> are energized at a time.
>
> No current flows between any of these coils at any
> time.
>
> Again, when the single wire input 'floats' there
> is no current flow anywhere.
>
> I will send a schematic. -Ken
>
>
>
>
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