Norm, You have every right to verbally attack anyone or thing you desire (I fought for that right) but I have to say we don't live in 1920's Chicago or 1980's New Orleans. Money does not go into the cops pockets (free coffee at the local roach coach being my exception). Politicians maybe, Federal, local and state tax coffers certainly, but the police (marine or land-based - and yes, I work both) are just doing what they're are directed by statute to do and that for a salary that does disservice to their risk.
I don't think there's a need to lie to a cop about owning property but I've never run into that problem personally. Your boat is real property and you have probably already paid sales taxes on it and might still be paying registration taxes as well. In effect, you own property. You don't own land but the tax system in all their efforts to squeeze the public for money missed the liveaboard, non-land owner. Their fault, not ours. A post office box shoreside is all that's required for a proof of address. Were I to vent on the liveaboard/marina issue, it would be against the environmentalists - they are the prima causa belli in my opinion. Take away the rules and regulations they forced upon us and you'll find life a little more resembling nirvana afloat. My opinion, but then, I've never been mainstream about much. All the best, CT S/V/ Calliste > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Norm of Bandersnatch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Jeff S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: A LiveAboardList <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:06:10 PM > Subject: [Liveaboard] The LIvaboard Lifestyle > > > Jeff, > > There is one other gentleman whom I see often at his boat in Julington > Creek, the green-hulled Tahiti ketch, Tahiti Rover, anchored closest to the > marinas. He is Robbie Johnson and has a cruising cookbook, the Gourmet > Underway, or similar. He is not sociable unless he is holding forth about > his victory over his recent cop attack. > > My boat is anchored farthest from the marinas due to draft limitations. > Jan and I are off and on because we are taking care of my elderly mother in > Ft Myers. > > You should be aware that the liveaboard lifestyle is under constant > attack. Many Florida municipalities, and I have heard the State itself > too, actually outlaw living aboard a boat, as does Georgia. We are > considered to be bums and tramps, akin to Gypsies, and there are laws > against our very existence. Some weeks ago my nearest neighbor ashore > stated that he hated me because: I didn't pay property taxes (he pays > $25K/year for his multi-million dollar house), I poop in the river (I have a > composting toilet) and I am anchored in his sight. > > I am considering taking my pension and SS checks and moving to another > country to live out my retirement. Suggestions anyone? > > Or I could find a marina in this country somewhere and tie the boat up even > though the boat is self-sufficient at anchor. Rent and utilities would cost > me about half my retirement stipend. It is far more acceptable to the > bosses for someone who lives aboard to do this. It is a lifestyle > more similar the lives of the politicians and cops and more to the point; > part of one's rent money finds its way into their pockets. > > "Local cities and counties in Florida have been prohibited by statute > 327.60(2) from regulating the anchoring of non live-aboard vessels even > though many of them have been doing so for years." (from the recent > posting) > > Notice that this prohibition only applies to "NON-LIVEABOARD" vessels. > Locals are free to outlaw anyone who actually lives aboard his vessel. If > you own a residence somewhere you are a "full time cruiser" instead of a > "liveaboard". This is why cops often ask if you have a home on land. The > proper answer is always "yes". Keep in mind that it is crime to lie to a > cop, whether you are under oath or not. (However, is is perfectly legal for > a cop to lie to a citizen and they often do.) > > Notice further that our being declared to be criminals has entirely to do > with owning property ashore or tying up in a marina. The crux of the matter > lies in money, which relates to the greed for power. Paying property taxes > on a residence ashore is the primary source of the money in the politician's > and the cop's wallet. If money flows freely from your pocket to the > politician's and cop's pocket, you are a good citizen, if not, you are a > criminal. > > I hope you noticed the message posted on this List about the pending major > attack on us by the FWC water cops. I hope you responded and made your > viewpoint known to the address provided. > > American society is two-faced. The independent, self-sufficient ,lifestyle > is often respected and admired in literature as the strength of the > Pioneers who built this Country, but in actual fact we are > vilified, considered to be degenerate reprobates and laws are enacted > to destroy us, a process going on as we speak. > > If you are considering living aboard a boat you must consider these facts. > > These are the man-made conditions the liveaboard has to contend with, and > they are by far the most danger we face, far worse than any weather, > mechanical breakage, or navigation demands. > > Our own country, which we spent our lives helping to build and supporting > in many ways, has turned against us and has hired men with guns to destroy > us. > > > Norm > S/V Bandersnatch > Lying Julington Creek > 30 07.695N 081 38.484W > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jeff S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* 9/27/2008 5:42:59 PM > *Subject:* Anchored in Julington Creek > > Hi Norm, > > I saw your posts on the Liveaboard forums. I live in the area and drive > over the bridge every day and have seen the number of boats anchoring up > west of the marinas. Does anyone else live aboard there? My wife and I > are talking about buying a boat and I thought that would be a great place to > stay. > > Thanks > > Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > Liveaboard mailing list > [email protected] > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://www.liveaboardnow.org/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardnow.org/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html >
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