On Monday 29 September 2008, Arild Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent a 
missive stating: 
> ahmet erkan wrote:
> > BTW : Anita like me might be apprehensive about joining the "facebook"
> > crowd. There was a lot of bad publicity about it's data security. Have
> > you had any bad experiences? You seem to recommend it, how long have
> > you been registered to "facebook" whatever it is?  I have learned not
> > to say anything negative or positive about things I don't know.

Couple of things to do:
1) Do NOT use Internet Explorer. Install Firefox (www.mozilla.com) and browse 
with that. Install the following extensions:
        Adblock:  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10
        FlashBlock:  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433
Between Firefox and these two extensions you will cut out 90%+ of malware and 
cross-site scripting attacks off the bat. Phishing scams of course are still 
an issue. Both of these extensions have whitelists for sites that you want to 
see Flash on, etc... and are very easy to use.

That's about it. If you absolutely positively must run IE, then make sure it's 
IE 7 and keep it patched. Do NOT install 'toolbars', "Smiley apps" and all 
sorts of "cute" toolbars which do nothing except box down IE, install spyware 
/ adware crap and crash your browser and/or computer. Of course, keep your 
Windows patched via windows update and 

Personally, I would say get a Mac, pay for the support and they will take care 
of you. The in-store Help Desk guys are awesome and their phone support is 
decent. If 95% of what you do is email, surf the web and some basic photo 
editing, internet chatting (AIM, ICQ, etc...) you will be much better off vs. 
Windows.

If you really want to have fun install Ubuntu Linux or similar, but that isn't 
for the faint of heart :) You will also be able to do 90% of the above, but it 
takes a little more work. Your exact Windows app A or B won't run, but for 
most things there are equivalents. However, it will run on most existing PC 
hardware which OS X won't do. Commercial application support is lacking. Blame 
that on the chicken and the egg.

> REPLY
> More specifically  facebook was mentioned  as being one of the websites
> at which you ran a great risk  of picking up a particularly nasty malware.
> My daughter  insisted on my  joining faceook  in order to see pictures
> of my grand daughter.  I got  my computer ruined. This particular
> malware blows right through Symantec  Norton and Windows  defenses.  A
> fact  corroborated by a lot of other victims and IT professionals.
> Befoer I  realized exactly  what was happening  the malware had used my
> computer to  spew out spam and  that got me black listed and blocked by
> my ISP.

There is nothing you're going to get from the web browser, assuming you keep 
up-to-date and patched, that won't require you to click "Ok, please install 
this". The problem is when your daughter sees "little flying bumblebees will 
float across your screen" or "cute puppies will frolick and lick your screen" 
she installs it. It's cute, but has a tendancy to hose your system. Not 
picking on your daughter, just making an example :) It blows through those 
defenses because you have to click "Okay, please install this" and by doing so 
you lower the defenses. Most malware / adware isn't really "bad", it's just 
poorly written software that tends to make your browser crash or system become 
unstable.


> Attempts to eradicate the malware failed.    I ended up having to get
> another computer and I was off line for a couple of weeks.
> fortunately my ISP  knew  that I had problems with a virus  so even
> though they had to block me they  allowed me to  restore internet access
> once I had another computer.
> In case you wonder why an whole new computer instead of just a hard
> drive;   Turns out that XP is a one shot deal.  By replacing the hard
> drive  Microcsoft said that constituted a different computer
> configuration and they wanted me to buy a new copy of XP.  When I phoned
> then  because my software install  would not validate they  told me that
> computer was not authorized  for this area and  then  by voice phone
> they  told me  the computer was  not where it was registered from and
> the hardware was changed.  Sure it was changed. i had upgraded a number
> of things since buying it three years ago. In other words they
> practically  accused me of using a stolen computer.  Once we got that
> straightened out  they said I could get validated  by  buying a new copy
> of  XP    USD $199.95

If you buy a computer pre-installed with Windows you're getting an OEM copy 
which as you found out doesn't transfer to new hardware. It blows. Welcome to 
the wonderful world of Microsoft. Blame this on the system builders (HP, 
Gateway, Dell, etc...) they're the ones who license them like that.

> BTW  none of the current versions of   good Anti virus protection
> software will install on a machine  running non validated software.   I
> tried!  In other words if you attempt to run  a non-validated  copy of
> Microsoft   you can't load malware prtection that  is up to date on the
> latest threats.

No, this is wrong. You won't be able to run Windows Update and get patches, 
but you should be able to install software without issue. Of course, after 30 
days your box won't run since your license is hosed, but software will still 
install.

> This is simply  more of Microsoft's  efforts to
> eradicate boot leg copies of their product. And if you haven't got high
> speed access, it takes too long to load  even if you are legit.
>
> Unfortunately  this has some serious ramifications for boaters.  My
> dealer tells me that  the latest move by Microsoft  means you can no
> longer load a MS operating system from disk.  You get a boot disk and
> then you have to download the OS and get it validated  on-line  while
> its at the dealer.

What? No, you install from CD. No Microsft OS is "downloaded". Sure, you 
validate online and install patches / updates. The core OS is 100% from CD / 
DVD.

> So what happens  if you have a computer crash  while cruising someplace
> with no internet access.  or just a slow dial up?   you are SOL!
> It used to be  you could recover from a HD failure  and even a virus
> attack  by simply wiping the drive  or if a hard failure;  replacing the
> drive then reloading from disk .  Not any more.  So much for security of
> computer based navigation  systems.  That is why I ended up replacing my
> computer.  Its now junk!
> I discovered   that  software that used to load  from disk now
> encountered a problem and the install failed.  I can no longer load my
> legal  but old copy of Office 2003.  Third party software  fails  to
> install and reports essential components of Windows are missing. 

Then your windows install wasn't done correctly or isn't patched with the 
latest service pack.

> Pre
> loading a spare HD with all the essential  programs  for use as an
> emergency back up and then  trying to load a second  HD  for actual use
> on the same computer also violates the Microsoft definition of one time
> use of XP.  and they won't validate the  second install.

Yeah, but that doesn't work so well anyway. Back up your data to external 
disks on occasion is about the best one can do.

>
> Unless you know you navigation software can run on  an older version of
> windows like Win98SE or maybe W2K   you won't be able to recover from a
> crash or virus infection  on your sea going computer.
> regards

Oh my god no. Do not use Win98. Totally unpatched and full of security holes. 
Win2K also has no support anymore, but setup correctly works okay. However, 
newer software is starting to not be supported anymore.

Microsoft is very good at marketing, advertising, buying out competitors and 
spreading FUD. They make a mediocre end-user OS and some okay apps.

Mac / OS X is hardware lockin and somewhat expensive, but for now their 
service is very good and their OS is very good, stable and easy to use.


Henrik
-- 
Henrik Hudson
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"There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who
 understand binary and those who don't..."

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