bella,
While I'm sure you meant well, there are a few facts you should be aware of.
Norm DID contact the "appropriate people". This contact went on for over a
month, with most of the responses completely ignoring his point about the law
being contrary to Florida state law. All this happened over a year ago. I think
Norm just got tired of the run-around and gave up.
Norm is at the very top of the list's most valuable posters. His knowledge and
experience are of inestimable value to the rest of us.
Norm did not bring up the subject, somebody else did.
Lets all try to get along, OK?
Eric Thompson
S/V Procrastinator
South San Francisco
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: 'bella
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Eau Gallie
while I dislike some of the 'laws created' and in some cases contrary to
state or federal case law... until they are repealed or overturned upon
judicial review they ARE the law.
Your whining is annoying... either you are part of the problem, which you
appear to be... OR you are part of the solution, which you don't care to be...
at least that is how you come off.
I might be a thousand miles north, unwillingly so, but I am still a florida
resident.. I vote.. I still involve myself with boating issues in my home
state.. I write my legislatures.. I noticed that you did not bother to write
the dep over that obnoxious anchoring ordinance proposal... I read each and
every one of those emails.. ed k's was just before mine btw...
Instead of your ever present whining on an internet board, why not channel
that whine to appropriate places...you have, apparently, time on your hands.
As evidenced by your prolific posting.... channel that time to helping other
boaters... to volunteering with boat us and getting the word out about onerous
subjects... all this blood pressuring raising ranting does absolutely nada
dear..nothing... and my cat is saying she is bored to tears reading it..
look for outlets..lots out there.. when I go home, and I pray its soon... I
detest this cold, stuck in the boat weather... I will, even though I will be
saddled with MY mom... work on boating issues..
to the rest of the boaters out there..... HAPPY THANKSGIVING...
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO THE MODS: forgive my minirant.. I held it in a long time and hit the
delete key till I my finger was broke...
'bella
aboard
sv maja
port covington
md
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Norm of Bandersnatch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Not so.
If the law, actually in this case a City of Melbourne ordinance, is
contrary to a state or federal law, it is illegal and unenforceable (if the
victim chooses to fight it) in court. Most of us don't have the time or money
to fight against those who rob us of half our earnings and then use our own
resources to attack us.
The people ashore are just as vulnerable. If a government wants anyone's
property they simply can say that if that land was being used for an activity
that would bring the government more taxes than it is currently producing that
government can tax that property at the rate that the property might bring if
used for that activity. This is done to drive people off their property
routinely, I have seen it happen. If some developer wants to build a condo on
your Grandmothers property she becomes an instant bag lady. They will pay her
"market value" for her property, and you can be sure that "market value" will
be the at the least value they can come up with, not the value that they claim
the property will be worth to the developer.
Melbourne claims they will not enforce this obscene ordinance, I am sure,
because of all the fuss their victims have been making, especially the Seven
Seas Cruising Association which holds periodic gathering$ in that repulsive
city. The bosses of Melbourne are two-faced. If they won't enforce it then
why keep it on the books? They will keep in on the books so they can
selectively enforce it against "undesirable" individuals they want to drive
away. This is America, the land of the free, dedicated with a great deal of
blood to freedom and liberty and Melbourne has set themselves down firmly on
the other side of that concept. This country was created by "undesirable"
characters, any one of which would have been quickly hanged or shot if the
government had gotten their hands on them.
I did receive a copy of Melbourne's ordnance which specifically stated that
"live aboards" cannot stay longer than 72 hours anchored in their waters.
Livaboards at their marinas are not affected. It's all about the money. They
said it applied in all waters in their jurisdiction. The waters in the buoyed
ICW channel and for 50 yards on either side of it are federal, they said.
There are many absurd laws on the books, monuments to the stupidity of the
political and "justice" system. Recently a local lawyer's ad mentioned that
it is against the law for tractor-trailer rigs to get closer than 50 yards from
each other.
And they just keep on coming.
Recently the idiots in charge made a law saying it is unlawful for an
automobile to get closer than five feet to a bicycle on the road, a physical
impossibility if one is to avoid colliding with oncoming traffic..
If you ever wonder why some of us hold "authority" in such disdain just
look at what they do.
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek
30 07.695N 081 38.484W
----- Original Message -----
From: bella
To: [email protected]
Sent: 11/24/2008 2:39:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Eau Gallie
norm.... I generally simply ask to have a copy of the ordinance sent to
me.
If the law is on the books in fla, it is the law.. no matter how much we
dislike it..
last time I checked, which was a few years back... horseless carriages
were still required to have a person with a red lantern 50 feet ahead of them
announcing thier presence.
Did you ask the people you emailed IF the property that they are applying
that ordinance to has been deeded them by the state legislature? Many cities
use this method to own the 'ground' that thier mooring fields sit on. Law is
the law, until it is repealed or a judge rules otherwise it is the law.
Whether we like it or not..
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