I used the assembly:assembly plug to create a distribution, however the descriptor (src/assembly/bin.xml) needs to be tweaked to drop out non-re-distributable jars. Hopefully, all the non-re- distributable jars are not essential to operation, at least not on JDK 1.5. Currently, you can do java -jar on apache-chainsaw.jar and the app launches. I added the main-class and path entries to the chainsaw jar, wouldn't do that on a library jar but hopefully is a good thing for an application jar.


I've never found that main-class much use because of the external reference to jars. Personally I like the appassembler distribution that maven can build, plus the Mac-specific one.

The external referenced jars are the crux of the problem with Chainsaw. Out-of-the-box, Chainsaw is useful for socket-based operations and local file reading. For JMS, DB, and VFS style operations, the 3rd-party requirements make it a tricky distribution problem.

Which exactly are the non-redistributable jars? Xstream and jmdns are the only listed dependencies in the pom, both of which are ASL licensed. JSch (for ssh-based stuff like vfs) used to LGPL but is now BSD licensed, but we don't actually need to depend on that per-se (they can go in the plugins directory).

I will probably need to get my head around the distribution mechanisms. I think we do need a classic distribution tarball that is farmed out to the distribution mirrors. Keeping the WebStart is good, but I think it might need to be placed within and use the Maven repo and have the downloads page point to a nearby Maven mirror.


We might as well be consistent with a tarball distro, but I'm not sure that's what the users would want to use. For non-webstart operations I actually think letting the user use Maven to build the complete distribution including all dependencies is actually probably the most pain-free for a user.


Branding is another issue. Should Chainsaw be presented as a separate product or as a log4j companion or some other model. I've probably not been consistent in what I've set up, but here is how I see the options:

Chainsaw as a LS product:

Web content: http://logging.apache.org/chainsaw, appear as menu item on http://logging.apache.org
groupId = apache-chainsaw or log4j
artifactId = apache-chainsaw

Chainsaw as a log4j companion:

Web content: http://logging.apache.org/log4j/companions/chainsaw, appear as menu item on http://logging.apache.org/log4j and http:// logging.apache.org/log4j/1.2
groupId = log4j
artifactId = apache-log4j-chainsaw

I think that LS product is better since Chainsaw should be usable with the other LS frameworks and is much more complicated than the other companions. Also, the plugin components could be considered "companions" of chainsaw.


Given Chainsaw can interact with non-log4j environments as well with XML logging, I think a standalone position is probably more appropriate.

I don't have a problem having Chainsaw continue to use the log4j icon, but maybe we could create a derivative icon that suggest taking a slice of the log4j cup. Don't know if we have access to the original drawing for the icon.

Scott and I talked about this a while back, but neither of us a gFx artists.. :) I had always envisaged an image that was a piece of paper with text and a chainsaw slicing right through it.

Paul

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