Hah, that's funny, because that chaos is exactly why I DO think there should be 
a veto power. :-P

Nick

On May 8, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Remko Popma wrote:

> I should clarify that this TED talk is the reason I don't like the idea of a 
> veto. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2013/05/09, at 10:00, Remko Popma <rem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> One of the reddit founders did an interesting (and short) TED talk on this. 
>> Search for "ted talk reddit mister splashy pants". 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 2013/05/09, at 9:11, Nick Williams <nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Agreed. Collect votes from as many sources as possible. I DO think the PMC 
>>> and/or key devs should be able to veto, however ... just in case.
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> On May 8, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We can mail to the dev and user list (and pmc too), and use social media. 
>>>> We can also update the log4j 2 beta web site with the announcement. 
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 19:34, Remko Popma <rem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Christian,
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is a great idea!
>>>>> Not just to get a nice new logo, but also (more important imho) to 
>>>>> attract attention to the new 2.0 version. Marketing yay!
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do you want to do this?
>>>>> Do we pick from the submissions, or do we have a second round where 
>>>>> people vote for their favorite?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like the second one. Not that I don't have great taste (haha - 
>>>>> that's my wife laughing, I was serious), but it is a chance to get even 
>>>>> more people involved and thus attract even more attention.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Remko
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
>>>>> To: Log4J Developers List <log4j-dev@logging.apache.org> 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 6:10 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Logo contest?
>>>>> 
>>>>> For some reason I picture two guys with their arms outstretched standing 
>>>>> on a spinning log in a body of water.... ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hopefully, most of you will understand that.  Probably not - In the 
>>>>> northwest U.S. they have lumberjack contests where the guy who can stay 
>>>>> on the log longest wins.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> > I am sorry to say that I never liked the log4j logo. I always found it
>>>>> > 100% ugly.
>>>>> > Recently somebody else said, he doesn't know what a green cup has to
>>>>> > do with logging. I agree with him.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Now the log4j 1.x logo is a green cup. No doubt about it.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > But log4j 2.x is different. In my opinion we should get the word out
>>>>> > and have some kind of logo contest. I am willing to assist and lead,
>>>>> > once the current discussion on other places calm down.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > My hope is, we would release the first stable version of log4j 2.x
>>>>> > with a new logo. We are a fresh team, we have a new atmosphere and
>>>>> > log4j 2.x is somewhat great. I believe we simply need a logo which
>>>>> > expresses all that.
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Any thoughts around this?
>>>>> > 
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