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Ralph

> On Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't cause any 
> issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should merge the dev lists 
> into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to subscribe to 
> (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know what that list is for).
> 
> On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com 
> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
> You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are 
> “binding”. I don’t think that changes much however.
> 
> From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user’s lists separate 
> isn’t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would need to be 
> discussed would be on a dev list anyway.
> 
> Ralph
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:dpsen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that I 
>> didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the 
>> current state of the vote:
>> 
>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> 
>> d...@logging.apache.org <mailto:d...@logging.apache.org>
>> Matt Sicker: +1
>> Ralph Goers: +1
>> Stefan Bodewig: +1
>> Sven Rautenverg: -1
>> Thorsten Schöning: -0
>> Ivan Habunek: -0
>> Dominik Psenner: +1
>> Remko Popma: +1
>> Mikael Ståldal: +0
>> 
>> Totals so far:
>> +1: 5
>> +0: 1
>> -0: 2
>> -1: 1
>> 
>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> 
>> u...@logging.apache.org <mailto:u...@logging.apache.org>
>> 
>> Matt Sicker: -1
>> Ralph Goers: +1
>> Stefan Bodewig: -1
>> Sven Rautenverg: -1
>> Thorsten Schöning: -0
>> Ivan Habunek: -0
>> Dominik Psenner: +1
>> Remko Popma: +1
>> Mikael Ståldal: -1
>> 
>> Totals so far:
>> +1: 3
>> +0: 0
>> -0: 2
>> -1: 4
>> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing.
>> 
>> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half 
>>> of them less than five minutes ago.
>>> 
>>> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing lists. 
>>> The proposal is to combine them as follows:
>>> 
>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> 
>>> d...@logging.apache.org <mailto:d...@logging.apache.org>
>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> 
>>> u...@logging.apache.org <mailto:u...@logging.apache.org>
>>> 
>>> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before.
>>> 
>>> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for the 
>>> combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish 
>>> between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:
>>> 
>>> [java]
>>> [net]
>>> [cxx]
>>> [php]
>>> 
>>> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in 
>>> gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.
>>> 
>>> Voting:
>>> 
>>> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!
>>> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much.
>>> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.
>>> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea!
>>> 
>>> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no 
>>> -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open 
>>> for at least 72 hours.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>>
>> 
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> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>>

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