This is exactly why we need one dev list. These last two responses dropped the other lists. This is a horrible way to have discussions that affect all the sub projects.
Ralph > On Mar 10, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd love to see more unified configurations in all the subprojects. Gary > mentioned that as an idea for log4cxx as that would make it useful for his > use case where they're using both Java and C++ in various projects. > > While the programming languages in use here (Java, .NET, PHP, and C++) aren't > really compatible with each other, having similar architectures and plugin > systems could help a bit in this regard. Having more inclusive conversations > about this would be great. > > On 10 March 2017 at 04:29, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com > <mailto:mikael.stal...@magine.com>> wrote: > I think that a vast majority of our users only uses one of the languages we > support, and therefore only are interested in one of the subprojects. > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com > <mailto:dpsen...@gmail.com>> wrote: > We had once the discussion that we wanted all Apache Logging projects to > become very similar in their usage, starting with the same or a very similar > configuration. Given that we should aim towards one Apache Logging > specification and several Apache Logging specification implementations in the > form of Apache Logging subprojects. That means all the devs for all > subprojects have to talk more. To me this is a good reasons to merge the dev > mailing lists. Further I don't see why the same use case should not apply to > the user mailing lists, too. Those mailing lists see very low traffic but all > of them need a larger audience. Just quoting the last few messages of two > user mailing lists I follow: > > log4j-user: the last topic came in a week ago, the topic before that about > two weeks ago > log4net-user: the last topic came in 24 hours ago and the topic before that a > month ago > > Cheers > > On 2017-03-09 19:24, Ralph Goers wrote: >> We use general as mainly an announcement list for topics that might be of >> general interest to all logging projects. Generally, these are just release >> announcements. >> >> Ralph >> >>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't cause >>> any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should merge the dev >>> lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to subscribe >>> to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know what that list is >>> for). >>> >>> On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com >>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote: >>> You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are >>> “binding”. I don’t think that changes much however. >>> >>> From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user’s lists separate >>> isn’t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would need to be >>> discussed would be on a dev list anyway. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:dpsen...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that I >>>> didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the >>>> current state of the vote: >>>> >>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >>>> d...@logging.apache.org <mailto:d...@logging.apache.org> >>>> Matt Sicker: +1 >>>> Ralph Goers: +1 >>>> Stefan Bodewig: +1 >>>> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >>>> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >>>> Ivan Habunek: -0 >>>> Dominik Psenner: +1 >>>> Remko Popma: +1 >>>> Mikael Ståldal: +0 >>>> >>>> Totals so far: >>>> +1: 5 >>>> +0: 1 >>>> -0: 2 >>>> -1: 1 >>>> >>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> >>>> u...@logging.apache.org <mailto:u...@logging.apache.org> >>>> >>>> Matt Sicker: -1 >>>> Ralph Goers: +1 >>>> Stefan Bodewig: -1 >>>> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >>>> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >>>> Ivan Habunek: -0 >>>> Dominik Psenner: +1 >>>> Remko Popma: +1 >>>> Mikael Ståldal: -1 >>>> >>>> Totals so far: >>>> +1: 3 >>>> +0: 0 >>>> -0: 2 >>>> -1: 4 >>>> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. >>>> >>>> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: >>>>> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half >>>>> of them less than five minutes ago. >>>>> >>>>> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing >>>>> lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows: >>>>> >>>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >>>>> d...@logging.apache.org <mailto:d...@logging.apache.org> >>>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> >>>>> u...@logging.apache.org <mailto:u...@logging.apache.org> >>>>> >>>>> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. >>>>> >>>>> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for >>>>> the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To >>>>> distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: >>>>> >>>>> [java] >>>>> [net] >>>>> [cxx] >>>>> [php] >>>>> >>>>> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in >>>>> gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. >>>>> >>>>> Voting: >>>>> >>>>> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! >>>>> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. >>>>> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. >>>>> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! >>>>> >>>>> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no >>>>> -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open >>>>> for at least 72 hours. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> >> > > > > > -- > > > Mikael Ståldal > Senior software developer > > Magine TV > mikael.stal...@magine.com <mailto:mikael.stal...@magine.com> > Grev Turegatan 3 | 114 46 Stockholm, Sweden | www.magine.com > <http://www.magine.com/> > > Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this message. > If you are not the addressee indicated in this message > (or responsible for delivery of the message to such a person), you may not > copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, > you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. > > > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>>
