On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 07:14:07AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> Ah, well this would explain why mail I sent you last week bounced too.
Quite possibly, I often notice when things do. I do have an exception list
but I wanted to test out the hypothesis this time. The point is that either
I have to deal with too much crap, which I don't want to do, (and SAUCE has
actually been extremely effective in cutting down spam), or there are a few
misconfigured but legitimate sites which get incorrectly flagged as spam.
Given the ways in which various email addresses I use have propagated to
spam lists, I'd rather have one email address and use extremely aggressive
anti-spam facilities.
> I have exactly the opposite view to the person on the Exim list. If I
> send someone mail and for some reason their MTA is configured to believe
> that my mail isn't worth receiving then that's _their_ problem.
This question has been discussed many a time, and it very much depends on
the email. I assume you wouldn't give a spammer that benefit, or would you?
My MTA tries to enforce standards compliance, as after all, that's what
standards are for. If you don't want to conform to standards in the first
place, surely that's your problem for putting yourself outside...
> And IIRC, the message I got back wsn't exactly enlightening.
It would appear that your mailserver is misconfigured then:
2001-09-14 15:15:22 BST: notice: rcpt-defer host=mail.mailstart.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] cmd="RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] irritated=3000ms
2001-09-14 15:21:08 BST: notice: rcpt-defer host=mail.mailstart.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] cmd="RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] irritated=4970ms
2001-09-14 15:21:28 BST: notice: rcpt-defer host=mail.mailstart.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] cmd="RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] irritated=6965ms
My mailserver never bounced it, but you didn't try for more than 6 minutes
before you gave up. My machine will wait around 3 hours before accepting
mail from a host it has never seen before, and around 1 hour for a
return-path it has never seen before. Since your machine didn't try for
longer than 6 minutes, it was mail.mailstart.com which will have generated
a bounce. Rather stupidly IMO.
The bounces that you get back from SAUCE (or rather the 550 lines) give you
quite detailed information about what it didn't like about your
configuration.
In this case, I think you can safely blame mailstart, not SAUCE. I could
quite easily have had eg a quota problem or something similar, which gives
a 450 line.
MBM
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