On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 03:20:49PM -0700, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
> I had recruiters have me take these many times.  They
> explicitly had me pledge not to do so.

I would consider that a mistake on their part when the test is designed
to a large part to test your ability to solve problems with the tools
you have access to.

> Such questions are the lowest form of Bloom's.  They should
> be avoided or minimized in such tests.  There are better ways
> to test such concepts than with options.

They seem awfully common on the few tests I have taken, but hopefully
they are getting better in the last few years.

> Some would, and could, argue that even the RHCE does that.
> Hell, screw up SELinux, and you could get a big fat 0 on the
> second part of the RHCE, regardless of what else you did.

Some people even question the usefulness of SElinux.  I have never had a
need to deal with it yet, although I imagine some day I might have to
look at it.

> I've had several clients asking for the RHCA.  That
> requires passing 5 exams at the 400 level (after the
> single 300 level RHCE).
> 
> Now that the RHCDS is here, and it only requires 3 exams
> after the RHCE (instead of 5 like the RHCA), several clients
> are starting to use that as a "differential."

So by asking for specific certifications they exclude lots of excellent
people.  Hopefully those excellent people have plenty of work though as
they likely do.  I can see from a risk management point of view that
picking the person with the certification seems safer.

> Oh, I don't know, maybe perhaps ...
> 
> 1.  Deployment, Virtualization, and Systems Management
> 2.  Directory Services and Authentication
> 3.  Clustering and Storage Management
> 
> Which is basically ...
> 
> 1.  Provision, deploy and manage systems, including virtual
> 2.  Centralize authentication, users, systems and other objects
> 3.  Manage access to and the storage itself, including clusters 
> 
> I just read off the Red Hat Certified Datacenter Specialist
> (RHCDS).  There is a _huge_ difference being able to manage
> a RHEL system (RHCT), plus services (RHCE), and being able
> to manage a datacenter.  ;)

Of course this doesn't mean you can't be a better admin for such a
system than someone with the certification.  I guess it is just simpler
to hire someone that has been tested to a certain standard since you
ought to be getting at least that much, rather than having to figure out
the complete value of an unknown person.

> Companies are using Xen paravirt.  Companies do deploy
> Red Hat Network (RHN) Satellite (and don't just use the
> Internet hosted RHN service), as well as various, emerging
> technologies (ET) that Red Hat is integrating into it.
> Companies (and entire governments/military branches ;) deploy
> Red Hat Directory and Certificate Services.  And companies
> do really rely on clusters on RHEL, both native and 3rd party
> (which have underlying components still provided by RHEL).
> 
> You asked.  I'm not saying "Red Hat is great."  I'm answering
> the question you had.  And that's before we even look at the
> SELinux-specific exams, tuning exam (which is damn fine for
> Linux in general -- highly recommend the RH442 course, even
> if you don't have a RHCE, you can sit it, just not the EX442
> exam), etc...

I am sure redhat does provide very useful support and services that many
organizations like.  I have no interest in them anymore personally.

> You can't worry about them.  Inhibit them, yes.  But worry?
> They sign an agreement.  When they cheat, they compromise
> everything the certification means for them, especially to
> themselves.
> 
> Only once did I have to "read the riot act" to some people
> in my Differential Equations class.  Really pissed me off
> when they merely didn't hurt the curve, but felt like they
> discredited the institution I attended -- which, at all other
> times, I never saw any cheating whatsoever.

Yep cheaters can tarnish the reputation of the institution.

> If an exam took all week, it would be at least $5,000, if
> not $10,000.  Basically figure $1,000 for every 4 hours.

$250/hour?  Still sounds insane.

> LPIC doesn't focus on training.

Right, it leaves that to others.

> Red Hat charges around $750 to sit their 4-6 hour exams.
> That covers the real cost of the 1-2 system you will have
> in front of you, the facilities, etc...

Which makes sense for a hands on test (which I believe the redhat ones
tend to be).

-- 
Len Sorensen
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