PREFACE:  It is my deepest desire for you to continue to participate
here.  However, you're really guilty of losing "context."  Please
understand that.  So while I don't want to inhibit you here, please,
please understand you're dealing with a lot of qualified, peer
professionals who do try to maintain context.  At least and Matt is
always good at "keeping me in-line" when I go too far too.  ;)


dbclinton wrote:
> My point? If you're building a router or IoT tool on a development
> board, you're going to need to know a fair amount about the install
> process.

Which applies to "Linux Essentials" ... how?
Your "maintaining context" here is ... how can I say this ...
<Darth Vader>I find your lack of context very disturbing</Darth Vader>

Keep that in mind ...  ;)

> Even building an image and flashing it can't always ignore that
> stage. There are a lot of admins who are working on experimental
> projects that make no sense on out-of-the-box hardware, and I don't see
> the demand for that skill set dwindling any time soon.

You mean people who know uBoot?
And can organize NOR/NAND for JFFS?
And work with various aarch64 variants that don't have uEFI?

(yes, for those who know my background, I just went full facepalm)

So ... _context_

  What does this have to do with "Linux Essentials"?

Let me revisit this, because I'm in the "rude" mood (my apologies to
everyone, this is very wrong of me) ...

First it was the _Original_ Context:

"is there a reason that anything related to
installing a Linux distribution doesn't show up as an exam objective on
the Linux Essentials cert exam?" -- dbclinton

Then it became this Alternate Context "B":

"Linux almost never comes pre-installed on OEM hardware and the vast
majority of new Linux users - whether hobbyists or budding admin -
will have to install Linux one way or the other if they want to use
it." -- dbclinton

And now it's this new, Alternate Context "C":

"My point? If you're building a router or IoT tool on a development
board, you're going to need to know a fair amount about the install
process."

So, the _context_ changes:

Original:  Anyone doing "Linux Essentials"
Context B:  "Typical noob Windows user that 'must' install Linux"
Context C:  "Advanced embedded development that 'must' know non-PC"

Deeeaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnn.

Short Version:  "Okay, you win."  ;)

> Just to bring this thread back to where it started, though: I brought
> this up specifically in the context of the Linux Essentials cert, which
> has a whole different focus. Here, we are potentially speaking to
> newcomers and - while the argument that installation is difficult to
> teach usefully and impossible to test is well taken - I believe
> installation at that level is not entirely irrelevant.

Then make _that_ point.

If anything -- my point -- _warning_ not to get all "caught up" in OS
installation, and that there _are_ options for VMs images, Live USBs,
etc...

But that's still really for the instructor ... not a LPI objective.

Installing any OS on a PC -- let alone non-standard, non-uEFI embedded
platform -- is really opening up a can-o-worms.

Of course, I'd love to see Matt et al. scramble.  Especially if you're
a fellow American ... and like to torture our friends to the North,
like Matt, with stuff 'abut' all that!  @-ppp

-- bjs
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