Les,

I have no interest in a fight.

I have posted my requests.  You then chose to try to correct me, but did so
incorrectly.  I will not accept your interpretation.

Our intent is to publish an RFC, but the foot-dragging exhibited by the
working group is not compatible with reality.  We have a release process.
I cannot discuss where it is and how it will proceed, but I can assure you
that the code will ship, and at that point, we will be squatting.

Tick, tock,
Tony



On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 10:47 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Tony –
>
>
>
> I think Chris and I have expressed the same point.
>
> I also think you seem to want to “pick a fight” – and I am not interested
> in that.
>
>
>
> I will call your attention to the following from RFC 7120. Although RFC
> 7120 is not directly applicable in this case, it is related and the concern
> expressed there seems very relevant to this case.
>
>
>
> From https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7120.html#section-5
>
>
>
> “There is a significant concern that the procedures in this document
>
>    could be used as an end-run on the IETF process to achieve code point
>
>    allocation when an RFC will not be published.  For example, a WG or a
>
>    WG chair might be pressured to obtain an early allocation for a
>
>    protocol extension for a particular company or for another Standards
>
>    Development Organization even though it might be predicted that an
>
>    IETF LC or IESG Evaluation would reject the approach that is
>
>    documented.”
>
>
>
> Les
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tony Li <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2026 1:05 PM
> *To:* Christian Hopps <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>; lsr-chairs <
> [email protected]>; lsr <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lsr] Re: Adoption of draft-many-lsr-power-group
>
>
>
> Chris, Les,
>
>
>
> I wrote that code points "do not require adoption".  That is accurate.  A
> 'SHOULD' is not a 'MUST'.  You don't get to change it into one.  What I
> wrote originally was correct.
>
>
>
> I respect the 'SHOULD' and the work the experts do, but the fact of the
> matter is that we have code, and it is going to ship regardless of
> adoption.  At this point, I cannot stop it.
>
>
>
> So, this is really up to you.  You can allocate, or we can squat.  Waiting
> is out of the question.  Your choice?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 9:56 PM Christian Hopps <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Expert hat on: I do not believe Les is raising the bar. We (reg experts)
> have followed the SHOULD advice rather consistently. We have always pushed
> for WG adoption first. It’s why I mentioned the order, adoption and then
> allocate, during the presentation. Yes, SHOULD is not MUST, but it’s also
> not MAY. :)
>
>
>
> I think it’s worth giving the normal route a chance here before we look to
> the exceptional one.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2026, at 20:12, Tony Li <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Les,
>
>
>
> What I wrote is correct.  Please read what you quoted.  That's a SHOULD,
> not a MUST.
>
>
>
> You don't get to raise the bar on a whim.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 6:36 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) - ginsberg at
> cisco.com <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Tony –
>
>
>
> I don’t want to start an argument – just want to set the record straight.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml
> states:
>
>
>
> “Note
>
> For IS-IS registries and value ranges maintained via the "Expert
>
> Review" [RFC8126] registration procedure, guidance for IESG-designated
>
> experts can be found in [RFC7370].”
>
>
>
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7370.html#section-4 states:
>
>
>
> “2.  The Designated Experts SHOULD only consider requests that arise
>
>        from I-Ds that have already been accepted as Working Group
>
>        documents or that are planned for progression as AD Sponsored
>
>        documents in the absence of a suitably chartered Working Group.”
>
>
>
> So what you say below is not correct.
>
>
>
>    Les
>
>
>
> *From:* Tony Li <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2026 8:50 AM
> *To:* lsr-chairs <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* lsr <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* [Lsr] Adoption of draft-many-lsr-power-group
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I would like to formally request that we start an adoption poll
> of draft-many-lsr-power-group.
>
>
>
> I would also like to formally request code point assignment for this
> document.  The relevant code points are all under "Expert Review" and do
> not require formal adoption before code point allocation.  We would greatly
> prefer not to squat on code point values if we do not have to.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
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