OK granted they’re evil, just like the McDonalds hamburger you eat every once 
in a while, or the car you drive around and its carbon footprint. But not EVIL 
INCARNATE! 😈🤠


And my two cents on alternative platforms like Jitsi: between 2 and 3 years ago 
I had a series of videoconferences regarding employment with a supercool 
company **NOT EVEN EVIL!😈** and they were through JITSI. Not a pleasant 
experience. Now imagine that platform suddenly having to deliver to millions if 
not billions of people online in remote classes, meetings, chats, etc etc.. 
Granted, it was 2+ years ago, but nothing gets super better in that time lapse 
anygüeys.

Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
<[email protected]>
+1 (347) 766-5008

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, bo0od <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> who said in all what you have mentioned they are secure not evil? apple and 
> google not evil? proprietary hardware backdoors not evil?
> 
> so yes, just because something is PROPRIETARY it is EVIL , and first harm its 
> doing which is locking user freedom not to mention censorship and ..etc
> 
> We can say proprietary harmfulness can be from 1 - 10 but there is no 0 , all 
> of them are harmful.
> 
> Nice collection to look at for e.g:
> 
> https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/
> 
> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes:
>> bo0od,
>> Apple is PROPRIETARY
>> Most computer hardware is PROPRIETARY
>> Google stuff is PROPRIETARY
>> Most Internet Service Providers available to most people are VERY PROPRIETARY
>> So, in that context, your comment seems to be moot. Just because something 
>> is PROPRIETARY doesn’t mean it’s EVIL INCARNATE. It may not be perfect, it 
>> certainly will have many flaws, some of them serious, but I bet and confirm 
>> in my personal experience that it also has many positives.
>> Regards / Saludos / Grato
>> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:52 PM, bo0od <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> what a stupid discussion. To make it smart one first FREE SOFTWARE THE 
>>> APP!! then we talk about smartness , security , privacy...etc
>>> 
>>> Zoom is PROPRIETARY based in USA.
>>> 
>>> Yosem Companys:
>>>> tform and his
>>>> willingness to take aggressive action to get there. He asked if I would be
>>>> interested in helping Zoom build up its security, privacy and
>>> 
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