Maybe New Zealand?? Tim ?? Also: I totally agree that "planning in secrecy" and encryption are not the *same* issue.
— Doug On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:54 AM Yosem Companys <[email protected]> wrote: > Probably the small ones: Estonia, for example. > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 6:52 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes > [email protected] wrote: > >> Hey Doug, PLEASE, I’d like a simple example of, not even the plural you >> used, but a single one: “governments [that] are all acting on our behalf, >> *which >> may actually be true in some locations in the world!!!"* >> >> Besides, there is a huge difference between “planning in secret” (BTW, >> the usual rule in ALL of the FIRST WORLD) and issues of encryption..😈 >> >> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, >> >> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes >> <[email protected]> >> +1 (347) 766-5008 >> >> On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Doug Schuler < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> This is in no way to argue against security and the ability to keep >> organized crime from going where they don't belong — especially for >> financial transactions and private information. On the other hand the line >> "Our governments and their officials should plan in secret" seems to >> strengthen the hand of despotic governments. It seems to imply that these >> governments are all acting on our behalf, which may actually be true in >> some locations in the world. I believe that government is absolutely >> necessary but without transparency things are hopeless. In fact, maybe the >> new emphasis on conferencing *could* help open things up. I'm in a foul >> humor because I live in the US and yes, "our" government does try very hard >> to "plan in secret." >> >> — Doug >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:58 AM Tim McNamara <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, keen to receive any feedback on this blog post I'm drafting... >> >> Billions of reasons why officials should not trust Zoom >> >> This year has seen governments take unprecedented action to defeat the >> world's most significant public health threat in over a century. Much of >> that action involves money. Lots of money. >> >> Officials and politicians deciding on economic stimulus packages around >> have a problem: they can't talk face-to-face behind closed doors like >> they're used to. Instead, they're turning to technology. Many of these >> services have unproven security credentials. Using insecure tools will >> allow the worst elements in our societies to benefit from the crisis. >> >> Starting now, there is an increased financial incentive to break into >> video conferencing systems. Billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars of >> subsidy money will be provided by governments around the world. That money >> will be unevenly spread. Many companies will fall. Some will not. >> >> Organised criminals and hostile nation-states have significant >> technological resources. They are well placed to exploit misplaced trust in >> computer systems. Our governments and their officials should plan in >> secret. Guaranteed secrecy while decisions are being made is the best way >> to keep economies alive. >> >> Governments should consider hosting their own video conferencing >> platform. Open-source tools such as Jitsi Meet, BigBlueButton and Apache >> OpenMeetings can all be deployed cost-effectively and securely behind a >> firewall. Perhaps most importantly, they don't require meeting participants >> to install anything onto their computer. >> >> Deploying these open source video conferencing technologies provides >> multiple benefits. The security within the system can be validated. Staff >> managing the service can be vetted. Data can stay local. Most importantly >> though, secrets can stay secret. >> >> >> >> Original https://cloud.nzoss.nz/s/F2r3rDZsEaypKNf >> >> >> *Tim McNamara* >> Vice President, New Zealand Open Source Society >> Author, Rust in Action >> https://tim.mcnamara.nz | @timClicks <http://twitter.com/timClicks> >> >> -- >> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major >> commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you >> moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. 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