Couldn't we just look at what pages people spend the most time with? The amount of advertising. The percentage of commercial sites vs. non-commercial. I didn't think that corporate and state domination of the internet was in dispute.
But I don't think we could point to one person! There are plenty of local fiefdoms ruled not just by corporations (although money I assume plays a massive role) China and Russia, etc. On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:08 AM Karl <[email protected]> wrote: > Doug, > > It sounds like you're aware of the internet being solely > corporate-dominated. > > If we had proof that someone were algorithmically ensuring that the > internet stayed corporate-dominated, do you know of a way to preserve and > possibly publicize such proof? > > On Tue, May 5, 2020, 11:49 AM Doug Schuler < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Technology absolutely has politics since it's embedded within social (and >> material) contexts. I like Langdon's quote in the Whale and the Reactor: >> "Because choices tend to become strongly fixed in material equipment, >> economic investment, and social habit, the original flexibility vanishes >> for all practical purposes once the initial commitments are made." >> >> On the other hand, technology is not strictly deterministic. A hospital >> can be used to help heal people or it can be used to imprison them and to >> perform experiments on them. Television doesn't have to be a solely >> corporate dominated medium nor does the internet — but they are. >> >> — Doug >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM Aram Sinnreich <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> What do you make of Langdon Winner's work, arguing that sociotechnical >>> artifacts have inherent "politics?" >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On May 5, 2020, at 10:33 AM, grarpamp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Technology is but an agnostic tool. >>> > There is no such thing as a liberation tech, >>> > only applied tech via paths toward something. >>> > One cannot apply a tech toward liberation >>> > without first considering what a state of being >>> > of actual liberation might variously be about, >>> > to know where to go, what to make with the tech. >>> > Democracy being nothing more than a >>> > decentralized form of the murderous dictators >>> > many claim to be liberating themselves or people from, >>> > both forms hardly a state of liberation at all, >>> > yet worshipped and profferred by all too many, >>> > we therefore continue this random series >>> > on path choices... >>> > >>> > How to be a tyrant. Sound Familiar? >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4LtEciQUF8 >>> > >>> > Deep Divers, let the balloon go! >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbX-Bvb2u_w >>> > >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3lEc-IFr8 >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLntHoTgDA >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major >>> commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you >>> moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. Unsubscribe, >>> change to digest mode, or change password by emailing >>> [email protected]. >>> >>> -- >>> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major >>> commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you >>> moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. 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