Nowaday Telcos now seem to be doing what pure ISPs where here for after building the pipes, they pump out the bandwidth as well i know this bcuz ive had to migrate to a major player who offered the pipess, internet, data links and all survival of our small ISPs notwithstanding can this result in a better deal for the consumer overall or perhaps if we let everyone do their specialised role rates may go down ?
hmk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Tinka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB > On Saturday 09 April 2005 13:38, Ronny wrote: > > Hi Henry ISP's these days can give you all what you want as long as you > > got the Dimes ask how much Campus(MUK ) is getting I wonder what they > > use it for :-D .With these new cheap WAN tech mushrooming up .Give it 1 > > year you will have 128K+ at 200K a month. > > We pray our Telecoms cut thier > > prices for the pipes leave alone the internet Bandwidth.Question who of > > the Telecoms offers xDSL services in UG? > > Service uptake will be largely determined by which type of WAN technology is > deployed and how much the CPE will cost. Traditional WAN services, i.e., PPP, > HDLC, e.t.c, are largely expensive because of the way bandwidth is used by > customers (frame relay somewhat mitigates that, but not well enough for > average Joe). Needless to say, typical CPE for such technologies is too > pricey, e.g., if wireless gear cost much less than it did today, more and > more people would sign on - but while the investment in a wireless backbone > might not be considerable given expected ROI, the cost of the CPE is still > the killer. > > DSL is expensive for telcos to deploy, as it's volume dependent, very distance > sensitive and has to work around legacy telephone network issues, e.g., load > coils, oxidized lines, congested backhauls, e.t.c. However, it's very popular > not only because of the typical business model applied by all broadband > ISP's, but also because CPE that can offer up to 10Mbps of WAN connectivity > is cheaper than the cheapest Cisco router and good for DYI. > > Mark. > > > Ronny > > > > henry wrote: > > >No worries kurup > > >theres no legal angle to it > > >besides as far as ISP loyalty is concerned > > >We nether face east nor west > > >we consumers face forward > > >gud de > > > > > >Hmk > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Hari Kurup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:11 AM > > >Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB > > > > > >>Henry, maybe I needed to have put a disclaimer: Any opinions expressed > > >>or implied by me do not neessarily reflect the views of Infocom or its > > >>management. > > >>But that said, I have not seen anyone on this list from that ISP you are > > >>on.... except for one sympathiser (names withheld). :-) > > >>Have a nice weekend. > > >> > > >>Kurup > > >> > > >>Henry wrote: > > >>>Ok I get it > > >>>ISPs wont give us the broadband we want unless we justify the need to > > > > > >them > > > > > >>>They will even go so far as to tell us how much we can have and what we > > >>>cannot afford ;-) > > >>>Sounds a lil like the fixed lines of a utl a couple of years ago > > >>>But all in good spirit > > >>>I now realize it takes a combined effort from several players > > >>>And that takes for a consumer "culture" to develop > > >>> > > >>>Enter the universities > > >>>Put broadband at the universities ( there are so many nowadays!) > > >>>They will want it for the rest of their working lives > > >>>And a broadband culture will be born. > > >>> > > >>>Hmk > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: Mark Tinka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:16 AM > > >>>To: [email protected] > > >>>Cc: Henry > > >>>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB > > >>> > > >>>On Friday 08 April 2005 09:50, Henry wrote: > > >>>>>And it is not cheap, even if it is local bandwidth. A reasonably clear > > >>>> > > >>>>audio stream (forget video) needs like 32Kbps for each person > > >>>>streaming. > > >>> > > >>>Not necessarily, depends on what codec you use (which would depend on > > > > > >what > > > > > >>>hardware you use). In some cases, the right player can help a great > > >>> deal. > > >>> > > >>>Quality is getting better with smaller pipes. > > >>> > > >>>>Ive learnt that Cheap is a relative term mfriend > > >>>>The user decides which conveniences are worth paying for > > >>>>Besides, you don't halt a project to build a 4 star hotel just because > > >>>>there are cheaper alternatives ;-) > > >>>> > > >>>>>Who pays for it and why would someone pay anyway when he can pick it > > >>>> > > >>>>freely on his radio > > >>>> > > >>>>1- An available forum for specialized channels > > >>>>Eg: click on a button and get a replay for the capital gang show you > > >>> > > >>>missed > > >>> > > >>>This is on demand content - which is how the Internet works today. A > > > > > >website > > > > > >>>will be there today, tomorrow and the next day, nothing new. > > >>> > > >>>Putting up the audio clip may not cost the radio stations much, > > >>> depending > > > > > >on > > > > > >>>whether they are offering it as a download or a stream. Besides, lots of > > >>>streaming/hosting companies in the developed world can offer you a T-1 > > >>>connection for your content for less than $50/month. > > >>> > > >>>>2 - bcuz its there! Why shouldn't I use the company Bandwidth to view > > >>> > > >>>clips > > >>> > > >>>>of a local football match while the boss accesses footage of his > > > > > >marketing > > > > > >>>>seminars, ( while we work ) > > >>> > > >>>Because like Kurup said, it costs your company. If the game you missed > > >>> is > > > > > >on > > > > > >>>an international server, your company (and your provider) have to expend > > >>>expensive international capacity to bring the game to your PC. > > >>> > > >>>If the game were on a local server, well, that's another thing. > > >>> > > >>>ISP's are wary of "greedy customers", and may penalize your company on > > > > > >your > > > > > >>>behalf for abuse of service. But I digress... > > >>> > > >>>Mark. > > >>> > > >>>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > >>>> Behalf > > >>> > > >>>Of > > >>> > > >>>>Hari Kurup > > >>>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:58 AM > > >>>>To: Linux Users Group Uganda > > >>>>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB > > >>>> > > >>>>On Apr 7, 2005, at 6:39 PM, Henry wrote: > > >>>>>Isnt the onus on the providers to show the people what they can do > > >>>>>with the > > >>>>>service > > >>>>>Way the mobile operators keep telling us how we can check for the > > >>>>>weather > > >>>>>and stuff on our fons? > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Eg: Don't you think radio/ tv operators would love for people to > > >>>>> stream local talk shows onto their computers at home and office ? > > >>>>>But who would dare to venture into such a "complex" process unless > > >>>>>they had > > >>>>>someone from MTN, infocom .. to hold their hand for the first few > > >>>>>sessions > > >>>> > > >>>>They radio/tv operators certainly would be interested. > > >>>>But as opposed to picking the signal off air with your TV or radio for > > >>>>free, streaming requires bandwidth. > > >>>>And it is not cheap, even if it is local bandwidth. A reasonably clear > > >>>>audio stream (forget video) needs like 32Kbps for each person > > >>>>streaming. > > >>>>Who pays for it and why would someone pay anyway when he can pick it > > >>>>freely on his radio. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>Kurup > > >>>> > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>LUG mailing list > > >>>>[email protected] > > >>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>LUG mailing list > > >>>>[email protected] > > >>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > >>> > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>LUG mailing list > > >>>[email protected] > > >>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>LUG mailing list > > >>[email protected] > > >>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >LUG mailing list > > >[email protected] > > >http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > _______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
