Gabriel [] > > Badru, > > I think if you came to Kenya the Kenya Music Copy Right Association can > fine you heavily for that. Even Taxis, Bars and hotels have to pay to > play local artists music. [] So what happens to the money collected for playing Chameleon, bebe cool, Michael Jackson etc. Do they ever get their money. And if there is nothing wrong or no one to pay when you play foreign music then it explains why the Kenyan airwaves play very little local music as opposed to Ugandan stations that promote local artists. The question then comes does stringent copy and paste of international laws help us develop or does it straight jacket us.
Our laws need to be relevant to us and not because uncle sam insists we should adopt them. regards > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > Tim > > > > If you look back I actually pointed to the Google example. Where > they do not charge for the majority of their offering but have become > the most valuable brand. > > > > So I might not charge directly for Yradio but some anxilary service > with a very loose link to yradio might create a commercial opportunity. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Zain Uganda > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Schofield <[email protected]> > > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:51:37 > > To: Linux Users Group Uganda<[email protected]> > > Reply-To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [LUG] Experiment on Content (Yesterday's radio) > > > > Well Badru did say earlier in this thread that he intends to earn > > money by this site, so I am unsure on which side you are arguing > Mike. > > Should he pay some of the money he earns over to the artists or not? > > > > On 09/08/2010, Mike Barnard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> wow... its getting hot in here.... Tim I think we miss what Badru > started by > >> posting that link. He clearly and has clearly continued to say, " > lets grow > >> this. lets tackle all those grey areas as we grow this". > >> > >> I pasted a section of our newest IPR and Copyright laws, which you > all seem > >> to have ignored. There is no copyright that protects a broadcast. In > our > >> current law, taking from what Patrick Okui said, you may go ahead > and > >> rebrand a Sanyu FM broadcast and as per our law (i stand to be > corrected) > >> you are not infringing on any ones rights. > >> > >> Granted that all artists have a right to their material and to have > it > >> protected under the law, and this is catered for in the law. I had > earlier > >> said that if Badru was re-broadcasting these earlier broadcasts with > the > >> intention of making money, then the artists whose songs are aired in > Badru's > >> re-broadcast have a right to sue Badru. If you are simply > broadcasting with > >> no intention of earning anything from it, look at the law, it does > not cater > >> for that. > >> > >> Tim, you seem bent on this copyright issue and rightfully so, but > apply it > >> according to the laws of Uganda, not a law that we do not have in > the land. > >> The reason there was an amendment to the old 1960's IPR and > Copyright law > >> was to cater for the emerging markets. This is what Badru keeps on > >> mentioning that we need to grow as YRadio continues to develop. I > don't > >> understand and see why you are opposing that. We need to grow, > YRadio, in > >> this heated debate has brought out areas that need to be ironed out > as far > >> as our laws are concerned. Stifling ideas because of looking at one > >> countries laws over another will not help us grow. Allow us to > experience > >> this and make the necessary laws to protect our rights. You have > learnt, let > >> us learn. Allow us the privilege of understanding what something is > other > >> than enforcing something someone else has understood from its > inception. > >> > >> Badru, charge on. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Wire James > <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Tim > >>> > >>> > >>> Get off your high horse. While many of us may be concerned about > the > >>> > >> rights of copyright holders, the situation not only in Uganda but > many other > >> African Countries outside South Africa is similar. Many times > members on > >> this list who are in business can vouch for this, people have come > up with > >> proposals, ideas, innovations e.t.c and they are 'stolen' from them > >> unashamedly and in most instances by corporates that originate from > the so > >> called purist countries you are trying to talk about. I recall a > very famous > >> case of one Lugger whose company tussled it out with a giant over > >> infringement of copyright on some software. This big company thought > it > >> would frustrate the guy through the court process but luckily > enough, he was > >> able to push on till the big elephant sought an out of court > settlement. > >> However, how many people have been lucky enough to achieve such > justice here > >> in Uganda? Few, very few. That is why you find the laissez faire > attitude > >> among the list members because we have more pressing problems and > needs than > >> pretending that copyright will change our lives. Many times we > submit > >> proposals for jobs and they are 'copy n pasted' by competitors who > have > >> insiders in the organisations we are approaching. It is a dog eat > dog world > >> for now and I will unashamedly tell you that as for now, copyright > issues > >> are at the bottom of our list of problems to think about. I would > rather see > >> Badru's project go on if its aim has a more positive impact on this > nation > >> eventually than guarding worthless songs that have nothing to > copyright > >> about. Many of these musicians would not even earn a dime if > copyright was > >> to be observed to the letter in this country. I remember 4 years ago > a > >> musician I helped to get paid US$ 1500 for a 3 hour show all because > I came > >> across his music on a website that he even didnt know about. Like > someone > >> said, it is a skewed market. Just understand it the way it is. > >> > >>> Wire > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 14:26 +0300, Tim Schofield wrote: > >>> On 09/08/2010, Joseph Abdi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Tim, > >>>> > >>>> It's because 90% of the list members have not faced copy-right > issues .. > >>>> Also, since almost 90% of our website materials in Uganda don't > use > >>>> original materials one does not > >>>> yet see the need or importance of copy-right ... > >>>> > >>>> And again, remember this is a LUG list (Open-Source) where FREE, > COPY, > >>>> RE-USE > >>>> is Legal ...with the OS mentality and mind-set, you can hardly > have > >>>> > >> support > >> > >>>> or understanding of it here .. > >>>> > >>> No no no no. Open source is only about free re-use if you keep > within > >>> the narrow confines of the license that the software is issued > under, > >>> for example the GPL. It in no way condones the abuse of copyright. > >>> Copyright is at the very heart of the GPL. Anyone on this list who > is > >>> using a kernel more recent than 2.6.13 is using some of my > copyrighted > >>> code which I allow them to do providing they stick to the letter of > >>> the license that the code is released under (GPL v2.0). > >>> > >>> Every open source developer, and those who benefit from the use of > >>> open source should be active in the protection of the rights of > >>> copyright holders. I have spoken at LUG meetings around the world, > and > >>> never before found a group who consider that copyright holders > rights > >>> should be abused. > >>> > >>> You clearly believe the rest of the world will throw off its > >>> fluffiness and join Uganda in this. Trust me you will be > disappointed. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> LUG mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > >>> > >>> LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > >>> > >>> All Archives can be found at > >>> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> > >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them > (including > >>> > >> attachments if any). 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