[email protected] wrote:
> Tim
>
> If you look back I actually pointed to the Google example. Where
they do not charge for the majority of their offering but have become
the most valuable brand.
>
> So I might not charge directly for Yradio but some anxilary service
with a very loose link to yradio might create a commercial opportunity.
>
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone from Zain Uganda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Schofield <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 19:51:37
> To: Linux Users Group Uganda<[email protected]>
> Reply-To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [LUG] Experiment on Content (Yesterday's radio)
>
> Well Badru did say earlier in this thread that he intends to earn
> money by this site, so I am unsure on which side you are arguing
Mike.
> Should he pay some of the money he earns over to the artists or not?
>
> On 09/08/2010, Mike Barnard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> wow... its getting hot in here.... Tim I think we miss what Badru
started by
>> posting that link. He clearly and has clearly continued to say, "
lets grow
>> this. lets tackle all those grey areas as we grow this".
>>
>> I pasted a section of our newest IPR and Copyright laws, which you
all seem
>> to have ignored. There is no copyright that protects a broadcast. In
our
>> current law, taking from what Patrick Okui said, you may go ahead
and
>> rebrand a Sanyu FM broadcast and as per our law (i stand to be
corrected)
>> you are not infringing on any ones rights.
>>
>> Granted that all artists have a right to their material and to have
it
>> protected under the law, and this is catered for in the law. I had
earlier
>> said that if Badru was re-broadcasting these earlier broadcasts with
the
>> intention of making money, then the artists whose songs are aired in
Badru's
>> re-broadcast have a right to sue Badru. If you are simply
broadcasting with
>> no intention of earning anything from it, look at the law, it does
not cater
>> for that.
>>
>> Tim, you seem bent on this copyright issue and rightfully so, but
apply it
>> according to the laws of Uganda, not a law that we do not have in
the land.
>> The reason there was an amendment to the old 1960's IPR and
Copyright law
>> was to cater for the emerging markets. This is what Badru keeps on
>> mentioning that we need to grow as YRadio continues to develop. I
don't
>> understand and see why you are opposing that. We need to grow,
YRadio, in
>> this heated debate has brought out areas that need to be ironed out
as far
>> as our laws are concerned. Stifling ideas because of looking at one
>> countries laws over another will not help us grow. Allow us to
experience
>> this and make the necessary laws to protect our rights. You have
learnt, let
>> us learn. Allow us the privilege of understanding what something is
other
>> than enforcing something someone else has understood from its
inception.
>>
>> Badru, charge on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Wire James
<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> Get off your high horse. While many of us may be concerned about
the
>>>
>> rights of copyright holders, the situation not only in Uganda but
many other
>> African Countries outside South Africa is similar. Many times
members on
>> this list who are in business can vouch for this, people have come
up with
>> proposals, ideas, innovations e.t.c and they are 'stolen' from them
>> unashamedly and in most instances by corporates that originate from
the so
>> called purist countries you are trying to talk about. I recall a
very famous
>> case of one Lugger whose company tussled it out with a giant over
>> infringement of copyright on some software. This big company thought
it
>> would frustrate the guy through the court process but luckily
enough, he was
>> able to push on till the big elephant sought an out of court
settlement.
>> However, how many people have been lucky enough to achieve such
justice here
>> in Uganda? Few, very few. That is why you find the laissez faire
attitude
>> among the list members because we have more pressing problems and
needs than
>> pretending that copyright will change our lives. Many times we
submit
>> proposals for jobs and they are 'copy n pasted' by competitors who
have
>> insiders in the organisations we are approaching. It is a dog eat
dog world
>> for now and I will unashamedly tell you that as for now, copyright
issues
>> are at the bottom of our list of problems to think about. I would
rather see
>> Badru's project go on if its aim has a more positive impact on this
nation
>> eventually than guarding worthless songs that have nothing to
copyright
>> about. Many of these musicians would not even earn a dime if
copyright was
>> to be observed to the letter in this country. I remember 4 years ago
a
>> musician I helped to get paid US$ 1500 for a 3 hour show all because
I came
>> across his music on a website that he even didnt know about. Like
someone
>> said, it is a skewed market. Just understand it the way it is.
>>
>>> Wire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 14:26 +0300, Tim Schofield wrote:
>>> On 09/08/2010, Joseph Abdi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> It's because 90% of the list members have not faced copy-right
issues ..
>>>> Also, since almost 90% of our website materials in Uganda don't
use
>>>> original materials one does not
>>>> yet see the need or importance of copy-right ...
>>>>
>>>> And again, remember this is a LUG list (Open-Source) where FREE,
COPY,
>>>> RE-USE
>>>> is Legal ...with the OS mentality and mind-set, you can hardly
have
>>>>
>> support
>>
>>>> or understanding of it here ..
>>>>
>>> No no no no. Open source is only about free re-use if you keep
within
>>> the narrow confines of the license that the software is issued
under,
>>> for example the GPL. It in no way condones the abuse of copyright.
>>> Copyright is at the very heart of the GPL. Anyone on this list who
is
>>> using a kernel more recent than 2.6.13 is using some of my
copyrighted
>>> code which I allow them to do providing they stick to the letter of
>>> the license that the code is released under (GPL v2.0).
>>>
>>> Every open source developer, and those who benefit from the use of
>>> open source should be active in the protection of the rights of
>>> copyright holders. I have spoken at LUG meetings around the world,
and
>>> never before found a group who consider that copyright holders
rights
>>> should be abused.
>>>
>>> You clearly believe the rest of the world will throw off its
>>> fluffiness and join Uganda in this. Trust me you will be
disappointed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Mike
>>
>> Of course, you might discount this possibility, but remember that
one in
>> a million chances happen 99% of the time.
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