Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. Based on the preceding posts, I mistook your input for "EU register SIMs because one country in the EU register SIMs". Misread and thought you were Kyle.
Peace :) On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Victor van Reijswoud <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, and Uganda is Uganda, Europe is Europe and the US is the > US......... And nothing has any relevance if you see it that way...... > > Sorry for providing some additional information in order to get a > balanced view. > > V > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well, Greece is Greece. The fact that Greece happens to be in Europe >> has little to no relevance. :) >> >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Victor van Reijswoud >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> In Greece (also in still in Europe) we were called in to register our >>> prepaid cards with our identity cards. This happened last year. >>> >>> V >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I was in China last November, and I bought a prepaid SIM, for cash, >>>> with data enabled. In Sweden we had the question of requiring >>>> mandatory registration up for discussion many years ago, and it got >>>> laughed at so fiercely it really didn't have a chance to pass. If they >>>> are going to bring up this ridiculous idea in the EU again, it's news >>>> to me. >>>> >>>> Get your facts straight, Kyle. :) >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> In the US all carriers are >>>>>> required to take the details of someone before >>>>>> they buy a sim pack. >>>>> >>>>> I was recently given two pre-paid voice/data SIMs (on two separate >>>>> occasions) without being asked to provide any ID. All they asked for was >>>>> a name and 4 digit PIN. Cash was a payment option. No address, social >>>>> security number, etc was required. >>>>> >>>>>> In China and Japan you have to present a >>>>>> passport or national ID to buy a sim pack. >>>>> >>>>> I lived in China, though it was a number of years ago. I never had to >>>>> provide ID to buy SIMs. Things could be different now, though :) >>>>> >>>>>> The EU is in the process of making it mandatory >>>>>> for all its members to register sims. >>>>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US >>>>>> requiring sim registration. >>>>> >>>>> Citation needed! Can you provide more details on this legislation? If >>>>> there's a law on the books in the US, it's not strictly followed. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, all of that is beside the main point. I still argue that this >>>>> legislation is a mostly ineffective security measure, has negative >>>>> economic consequences, and is prone to abuse. >>>>> >>>>> And, though it won't benefit consumers, it will benefit the telecoms as >>>>> it should significantly reduce the "churn" rate (the industry term for >>>>> users frequently changing providers) by creating barriers to entry. >>>>> You're far less likely to change networks frequently if you need to >>>>> manually sign up and suffer a delay period every time you switch. >>>>> >>>>> As a result, companies like MTN will now be able to provide lower quality >>>>> of service with fewer consequences as customers will be less inclined to >>>>> make the effort to switch to another network. >>>>> >>>>> I believe Uganda's high churn rates indicate a healthy consumer-oriented >>>>> marketplace. Why throw this away and give more leverage to the telecoms? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original message ----- >>>>>> @kyle, @benjamin, and if you can in USA and China and Sweden, I bet those >>>>>> guys already have some fancy mechanism to track down any phone user >>>>>> even >>>>>> if they haven't registered their SIMs. In the US all carriers are >>>>>> required to take the details of someone before they buy a sim pack. In >>>>>> China and Japan you have to present a passport or national ID to buy a >>>>>> sim pack. The EU is in the process of making it mandatory for all its >>>>>> members to register sims. >>>>>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US requiring sim registration. >>>>>> Whether or not it goes through is another issue. >>>>>> I think the UCC/gov't has some valid concerns to do what they are doing. >>>>>> Playing the devil's advocate, having national IDs should have been the >>>>>> first priority for gov't if it has security concerns, then maybe >>>>>> registration would not be requirement. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > > If you go many >>>>>> > > countries, you just can't walk into a shop and buy a sim card like >>>>>> > > we >>>>>> > do it >>>>>> > > in UG. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > You can in the USA! >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bright Onapito <[email protected]> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > > Hello Ronnie, >>>>>> > > I feel your pain, but I must say this process is long over due! It >>>>>> > > is a mandatory procedure for every teleco to register all its >>>>>> > > subscribers. UCC was abit lenient to all these guys in the first >>>>>> > > place. If you go many countries, you just can't walk into a shop >>>>>> > > and buy a sim card like we >>>>>> > do it >>>>>> > > in UG. In as much as it might appear as a 'breech of privacy' I >>>>>> > > believe >>>>>> > it >>>>>> > > is a move aimed at protecting you and me. Imagine your phone was >>>>>> > > stolen >>>>>> > and >>>>>> > > sold to whoever. As soon as they put in their sim card it will be >>>>>> > > quite >>>>>> > easy >>>>>> > > to for starters know who is using your stolen phone. That's a plus >>>>>> > > for starters isn't it? >>>>>> > > Cheers! >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Delyon Ronnie >>>>>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Recently read in the papers about UCC requiring every holder of a >>>>>> > > > sim >>>>>> > card >>>>>> > > > to register it or face termination of service. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > What does this achieve and isn’t this some infringement of privacy. >>>>>> > People >>>>>> > > > should I think have the option of opting out given I don’t(yet) >>>>>> > > > see any benefits of doing it to begin with >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>>>>> > > > [email protected] >>>>>> > > > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>> > > > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>> > > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>>>>> > > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>>>>> > > > (including attachments if any). 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