> Get your facts straight, Kyle. :) I don't believe you've said anything that disagrees with what I've said :P
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Benjamin Tayehanpour <[email protected]> wrote: > I was in China last November, and I bought a prepaid SIM, for cash, > with data enabled. In Sweden we had the question of requiring > mandatory registration up for discussion many years ago, and it got > laughed at so fiercely it really didn't have a chance to pass. If they > are going to bring up this ridiculous idea in the EU again, it's news > to me. > > Get your facts straight, Kyle. :) > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> In the US all carriers are >>> required to take the details of someone before >>> they buy a sim pack. >> >> I was recently given two pre-paid voice/data SIMs (on two separate >> occasions) without being asked to provide any ID. All they asked for was a >> name and 4 digit PIN. Cash was a payment option. No address, social >> security number, etc was required. >> >>> In China and Japan you have to present a >>> passport or national ID to buy a sim pack. >> >> I lived in China, though it was a number of years ago. I never had to >> provide ID to buy SIMs. Things could be different now, though :) >> >>> The EU is in the process of making it mandatory >>> for all its members to register sims. >>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US >>> requiring sim registration. >> >> Citation needed! Can you provide more details on this legislation? If >> there's a law on the books in the US, it's not strictly followed. >> >> Anyway, all of that is beside the main point. I still argue that this >> legislation is a mostly ineffective security measure, has negative economic >> consequences, and is prone to abuse. >> >> And, though it won't benefit consumers, it will benefit the telecoms as it >> should significantly reduce the "churn" rate (the industry term for users >> frequently changing providers) by creating barriers to entry. You're far >> less likely to change networks frequently if you need to manually sign up >> and suffer a delay period every time you switch. >> >> As a result, companies like MTN will now be able to provide lower quality of >> service with fewer consequences as customers will be less inclined to make >> the effort to switch to another network. >> >> I believe Uganda's high churn rates indicate a healthy consumer-oriented >> marketplace. Why throw this away and give more leverage to the telecoms? >> >> >> ----- Original message ----- >>> @kyle, @benjamin, and if you can in USA and China and Sweden, I bet those >>> guys already have some fancy mechanism to track down any phone user even >>> if they haven't registered their SIMs. In the US all carriers are >>> required to take the details of someone before they buy a sim pack. In >>> China and Japan you have to present a passport or national ID to buy a >>> sim pack. The EU is in the process of making it mandatory for all its >>> members to register sims. >>> A bill has been passed to Senate in the US requiring sim registration. >>> Whether or not it goes through is another issue. >>> I think the UCC/gov't has some valid concerns to do what they are doing. >>> Playing the devil's advocate, having national IDs should have been the >>> first priority for gov't if it has security concerns, then maybe >>> registration would not be requirement. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Kyle Spencer <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > > If you go many >>> > > countries, you just can't walk into a shop and buy a sim card like >>> > > we >>> > do it >>> > > in UG. >>> > >>> > You can in the USA! >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Bright Onapito <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > > Hello Ronnie, >>> > > I feel your pain, but I must say this process is long over due! It >>> > > is a mandatory procedure for every teleco to register all its >>> > > subscribers. UCC was abit lenient to all these guys in the first >>> > > place. If you go many countries, you just can't walk into a shop >>> > > and buy a sim card like we >>> > do it >>> > > in UG. In as much as it might appear as a 'breech of privacy' I >>> > > believe >>> > it >>> > > is a move aimed at protecting you and me. Imagine your phone was >>> > > stolen >>> > and >>> > > sold to whoever. As soon as they put in their sim card it will be >>> > > quite >>> > easy >>> > > to for starters know who is using your stolen phone. That's a plus >>> > > for starters isn't it? >>> > > Cheers! >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Delyon Ronnie >>> > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Recently read in the papers about UCC requiring every holder of a >>> > > > sim >>> > card >>> > > > to register it or face termination of service. >>> > > > >>> > > > What does this achieve and isn’t this some infringement of privacy. >>> > People >>> > > > should I think have the option of opting out given I don’t(yet) >>> > > > see any benefits of doing it to begin with >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > The Uganda Linux User Group: http://linux.or.ug >>> > > > >>> > > > Send messages to this mailing list by addressing e-mails to: >>> > > > [email protected] >>> > > > Mailing list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>> > > > Mailing list settings: http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> > > > To unsubscribe: http://kym.net/mailman/options/lug >>> > > > >>> > > > The Uganda LUG mailing list is generously hosted by INFOCOM: >>> > > > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> > > > >>> > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>> > > > (including attachments if any). 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