Here is a little wrench to throw in to the collective works. For arguments sake let us assume that I was to purchase, or otherwise obtain a copy of Mr. Reyerman's publication. Over time, if I were to hand copy each piece in the book, what would the collective reaction be if I then put the hand copied collection on the net? How would this scenario stand in the ongoing debate?
Vance Wood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Matanya Ophee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:32 PM Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc. > No it isn't a crime. And legalities have nothing to do with what Albert is > talking about. Fairness is the issue. He invested a great deal of time and > money in creating this book, and you publicly declare that you intend to > rip him off. That was not a crime, but a stupid thing to do. Take example > from your like-minded perps. There are quite a few of them around. Say > nothing and do what you have to do. If what you did stinks, you'll have to > live with it > Hey fellow, > First of all I stated my intentions were to post the facsimiles, and ask > people what they thought, I then said I'd take the matter to heart. Incase > you don't have a heart, I'll translate that into, I will listen to what > everyone said. > I then made a decision that the right thing to do was to contact Albert > and propose an idea, which is not to far different than Thomas Schell's > site. > Then all hell broke loose! No where did I " publicly declare that " I > intend to > rip him off " Those are you words. At no time did I say I would post the > facsimiles regardless of Albert's wishes, and quite frankly I won't, based > not so much on legality, but to respect his wishes. In the end I don't want > to piss off anymore human beings,than I have to, except you! I asked some > alarming questions again out of my naivety which you seem to enjoy pointing > out. > Also, concerning young guitars students, I have noticed that hardly any > of them play baroque or ren music these, it's mostly modern. > In one local private high school in Albuq. there are 70 guitar students. > Being that I only play Baroque lute, that does alarm me, in a selfish kind > of way. So I don't know what planet your from, but as you claim to be in > tune with the guitar world you obviously are not. This without a dought is > what these young kids are into. wake up and smell the coffee! my friend. > Also, concerning my website and posting Facsimiles. I could care less > about another Bach version of a lute suite for guitar, I just like seeing > the facsimile, and if it draws guitarists to my site all the better for me. > But I do want to help these kids as well Believe me or not. > In the end, I don;t give a rats ass if you ever heard of me or not. I > conceder that to be a blessing. Go and get some help my friend! > > Michael Thames > Luthier > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > Site design by Natalina Calia-Thames > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matanya Ophee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Facsimeles etc. > > > > At 09:56 PM 12/2/2003 -0600, Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Relax Montana, > > > > That can work both ways, distorting people's names intentionally. But I > > will resist the urge to engage in this juvenile silliness. > > > > > > > I see you have quite alot of baggage with this issue, to go after me > with > > >your well known guile, and considering remarks. You truly take the prize > > >for vileness, your reputation precedes you. > > > > Glad you noticed. > > > > > Again, glad to be the scapegoat for you Publishing kind of guys, > but > > >as you say this is getting old, isn't it. > > > If I were your mother I'd take you over my knee and give a good > > >whacking! But since this is your only source of income I'll forgive > you! > > > > That's bullshit number one. Publishing is not my source of income at all. > > It is only the source of my _losses_ over the years. If had to live the > way > > I do from music publishing, this business would have gone down the drain > > decades ago. Do check my biography more carefully. > > > > > Lets put all exchanges of pleasantries aside, Please tell me the > > >crime I'm guilty of, what have I done other than ask a few "uncomfortable > " > > >questions. I've already admitted I'm stupid, and you've pointed that out > > >again just in case everyone forgot. > > > Is WANTING to post a facsimile a crime? > > > > No it isn't a crime. And legalities have nothing to do with what Albert is > > talking about. Fairness is the issue. He invested a great deal of time and > > money in creating this book, and you publicly declare that you intend to > > rip him off. That was not a crime, but a stupid thing to do. Take example > > from your like-minded perps. There are quite a few of them around. Say > > nothing and do what you have to do. If what you did stinks, you'll have to > > live with it. > > > > > As I stated, I asked Albert's permission. > > > > Wrong person to ask. He does not own the manuscript. He paid money for the > > permission to publish it, and this is exactly what you should do: apply to > > the library and ask for permission, and pay the fee. Then you do whatever > > you want to do. Albert even gave you the address and the name of the > person > > to write to. So instead of sniffling about legalities, do what all of us > > are doing: get it DIRECTLY from the source. > > > > > > > But come to think of it, as of yet I haven't heard his answer. > Just > > >between you and me Montana what do you think He'll say? > > > > He already said it. Loud and clear. > > > > > Montana, if there are 50 or so editions of the Bach lute suites why > are > > >you uncomfortable with one more? > > > > I am not uncomfortable at all. Even Albert clearly stated that he has > > nothing against your doing another edition. The only time I am > > uncomfortable with this, is when someone asks me to publish _his_ edition > > of the Lute Suites. I have rejected more than one such project in the > past. > > You want to do a new edition of the lute suites? be my guest. It is your > > time and money. But let's do it on a plain level field. Just like > everybody > > else. > > > > > And please, don't be so pretentious as to know with whom I'm well > > >connected with in the guitar world. > > > > Huh? I know nothing about you and I have no idea who you are connected > > with. Never heard your name before this thread. You make guitars? lutes? I > > don't recall ever hearing about your instruments from any one, and I do > get > > around. > > > > > And above all , you can have Bach, but > > >keep your greedy hands off of Weiss. > > > > Too late. I published the Moscow Weiss manuscript years before I even > heard > > your name. As for Bach, you can check my on-line catalogue for my Bach > > transcriptions. You will not find the lute suites there. > > > > Look here fellow: the issue is not me, and the issue is not Albert > > Reyerman. the issue is that the lute world is way too small. No > > instrumental discipline ever survived without publishers, and it does not > > matter if the publisher is a private person who is doing this for the love > > of the lute, or the lute society or large commercial publishers who can > > support the losing proposition of publishing lute music by publishing a > lot > > of other commercial fodder. You want to join the crowd and become a > > publisher yourself? > > > > That's commendable and I will be happy to assist you in any way I can, and > > so would Albert. But one thing you must understand: anytime you benefit by > > scavenging the work of others, the stench goes sky high. And don't give me > > this bullshit about posting this music on your web site as an altruistic > > service to the young. Your purpose is to attract surfers to your web site, > > where they can also view the instruments you have for sale. All you want > is > > another advertising tool. Nothing wrong with that and we all do it. But > > please do it on your own nickel, not Albert's. > > > > > > > > Matanya Ophee > > > > Editions Orphe'e, Inc., > > 1240 Clubview Blvd. N. > > Columbus, OH 43235-1226 > > Phone: 614-846-9517 > > Fax: 614-846-9794 > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.orphee.com > > > > > > > > > > >
