Lance, David asked about the bracing I was describing,. Late Baroque swan neck. Lundberg makes no mention of that in his book. I do think it's misleading to tell others, that He examined a thousand lutes.
Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: belly braces > Dear David: > > I am truly sorry Michael, it seems that somewhere you have taken a real > dislike to me and choose to pot shot every post I make. However; if you > examine pages 30 through 40 in Mr. Lundberg's book you will find the > information I mentioned. Remember I said easily accessible. The sources > you mention will not be available without a lot of correspondence and > research, that's not bad, but that's not a simple first place to start. As > to the number of Lutes Mr. Lundberg examined I am probably wrong but even > three hundred is a goodly amount, I have not taken the time to individually > count every Lute mentioned on a seven page inventory. Pages 249 through 256 > itemize the Lutes he has looked at, some of them with the bellies off, some > of them through X ray . > > As to the swan neck, that was not in the original question, the question was > about Baroque Lutes and I was not aware the this was also synonymous with > "Swan Neck". All I have done is to try to offer what I know to a question > someone asked, again the old saying "No good deed goes unpunished" proves > itself accurate. > > Vance Wood. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "David Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: belly braces > > > > >David: > > > > >The only accurate source I know of is Robert >Lundberg's book: > Historical > > >Lute Construction. There are a number of historical >belly brace > > >configurations in the book derived from having examined >perhaps a > thousand > > >existent Lutes. I am sure there are other sources as well >but this one > is > > >more accessible to someone without access to the >museums of Europe, or > > some > > >obscure research paper floating around out there. > > > > Lance mentions Lundberg examining a 1000 existent lutes, (wow! ) I > don't > > know the exact amount of surviving lutes, but I would put that number > closer > > to 300, out of 300 lutes Lundberg has examined.... he has seen the bracing > > of maybe 15, I would say, and none of those appears to be swan necks. > > Actually Lundberg doesn't deal with this topic, other than to say, > that > > he tried using symmetrical bracing once, but could get those, weird, > vague, > > and obscure overtones he famously speaks about, in the chapter on > > thickneesing the top, with the J bar bracing, and seemed to dismiss to > > issue. > > David, the only place to find this late German swan neck bracing is on > > plans made by various People, like Klaus Martius who drew both the Schelle > > therobo, and the Widhalm, both showing symmetrical fan bracing. Also, the > > plans by Gerhard Sohone, of the swan neck Tielke, show this, as well as > > Gunter Mark, of the Schelle MI46 show this symmetrical bracing, and last > but > > not least on my website under museum photos there is a photo Juri Chepalak > > sent me showing this bracing on the Brunner. > > These are just the ones we have opened up and looked inside. also to > add > > to this is the arching of the bridge, and the soundboard that Klaus > Martius > > observed in the Widhalm, and I observed in the Yale Jauch, seem to be late > > developments as well. > > > > Michael Thames > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "lute list" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "David Cameron" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:13 AM > > Subject: Re: belly braces > > > > > > > David: > > > > > > The only accurate source I know of is Robert Lundberg's book: > Historical > > > Lute Construction. There are a number of historical belly brace > > > configurations in the book derived from having examined perhaps a > thousand > > > existent Lutes. I am sure there are other sources as well but this one > is > > > more accessible to someone without access to the museums of Europe, or > > some > > > obscure research paper floating around out there. > > > > > > Vance Wood. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "David Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:39 AM > > > Subject: belly braces > > > > > > > > > > A short while ago, Michael Thames and others mentioned a change from > the > > > > earlier soundboard bracing, to acomodate greater string lengths and > > number > > > > of courses. Can anyone point me in the direction of further > information > > on > > > > this topic? > > > > > > > > David Cameron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
