Dear Marion and Sean:
 Much of the music on the Schroeder-Young recording is playable with a
plectrum on one lute; the other, the tenor, usually must be played with the
fingers for the music to work. I have played the treble part of a number of
these pieces with a plectrum on a five-course gittern or lute.
Cheers,
Jim



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Dear Sean,

Thank you for posting these pictures. The same picture is on the cover of
Karl-Ernst Schroder and Crawford Young's CD, "Amours amours amours"
released in 2002 by Harmonia Mundi HMC905254. In fact two A lutes were
used in this recording as well as a lute in E. If the music on the CD is
any
indication of what the concert depicted in the picture was supposed have
on the program, I doubt that a plectrum was used.

Best regards,
Marion

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From: Sean Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Mar 29, 2005 4:00 PM
To: Lutelist <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Subject: Montagna's lutes


Having lived in the 6-course world for a while now I'm very interested
in the left lute in this painting by Montagna:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1-Pages/Image198.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1-Pages/Image199.html

It appears M. tried to be very realistic in the proportions, colors and
detail and I think there may be enough information in it to actually
build a copy. Granted we don't know the string length or the back shape
but some of this could be educatedly guessed at.

Has anyone had a lute built in this shape (or built one) and if so what
are your conclusions? Might it make a good F or A lute? (I'm set for G)
Are there any surving lutes, complete or not, that might suggest a
precedent for this triangular, wide-belly shape?

By the by, some have rumored to have seen a plectrum in this painting
but in the detail, I honestly don't see it. Granted this is a
ficticious concert (angels, etc), and while the weight lately has been
to give most lute playing in this era a pick of some kind (or to one of
the players), I don't see the plectrum support in this instance. On the
other hand, so to speak, I see support for playing 15th century music
in the same polyphonic way as the next. Fascinating right hand
technique on the blond plucker, too.

And my thanks to Alfonso for posting this page of lute iconography.
Here's the rest of it:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~amarin/Page1.html

all the best,
Sean Smith



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