It could be a typical case of phonetic variation. I think when French speakers imitate people from Alsace speaking French they tend to pronounce initial /b/ as /p/ (I am thinking here that Alsatian French might be influenced by German, which some may want to refute). It would then seem that voicing of certain consonants is variable in German. In deed, Final voiced consonants generally become unvoiced in most dialects of German. Thus a /b/ in final position would become [p] in most dialects. Now,in Kapsberger, the /b/ is actually preceded by a unvoiced /s/, this is very likely to increase any tendency for the devoicing of /b/ to /p/, so phonetically it would probably be [p], but morphologically, it is recognized as derived from the /b/ in -berger. Anthony
Le 22 mai 07 à 15:01, Mathias Rösel a écrit : > One intelligible reason possibly is that -berger is derived from > German > Berg, mountain, whereas -perger cannot be derived (it's Upper Geran > pronuciation of standard High German -berger). That might explain a > tendency of German authors to keep -berger. > > The family name is derived from the local name Kapsberg. There is a > number of places called Kapsberg in Germany. > -- > Mathias > > > "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> In German archives, and in some printed book indexes, B >> and P are interchangeable. Like our older V's and U's, >> and J's and I's. So an index at the combined letters B/P >> might read: >> >> Bach, J. S. >> Pach, Johann Christian, >> Pachelbel >> >> There are 18th-century scores that spell the Bach family >> name "Pach," and surely someplace there is a score >> spelled "Bachelbel." Particularly with less familiar >> names, this practice prevents confusion, and you need >> only look in one place in the alphabet. >> >> So Kapsberger and Kapsperger would likewise be >> interchangeable when alphabetized this way. >> >> How does one resolve the difference, and select one >> "proper" spelling? This >> is what has to be done in libraries. And the Library of >> Congress has established "Name Authority" files for the >> use of cataloguers. One standard, uniform name is given >> where all of the works of that author will be listed >> (regardless of the spelling used, say, on the >> titlepage), plus "See" files for all other forms of >> that author's name. >> >> I checked Kapsberger/Kapsperger. The LoC standard >> spelling is Kapsperger (which surprised me) with a "See" >> cross reference: >> >> Kapsberger, see Kapsperger. >> >> The LofC "Name Authority" files give some 8 or 9 >> different >> "See" entries for his name. E.g., Johann Kapsperger, >> Giovanni Girolamo, Girolamo, Hieronymus, etc. >> >> The other way to settle such a question, would be to use >> the main spelling in a reliable music dictionary like >> The New Grove. Where the spelling (will you believe >> this?) is Kapsberger.<sigh> Slonimsky comes in with a >> Kapsberger, too. Eitner uses Kapsperger, and RISM >> Kapsberger. MGG in proper German form favors Johannes >> Hieronymus Kapsberger. But since he was born and died >> in Italy, one wonders if he could speak German. >> >> I guess that means that in London and Leipzig you play >> pieces by >> Kapsberger, and in North America by Kapsperger. But why >> not ditch Kapsb/perger entirely, and play something by >> Biccinini instead? >> >> ajn. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Rastall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:33 PM >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Kapsperger or Kapsberger? >> >> >>> Good question. The title page and dedication(?) of >>> Libro Primo >>> D'Involatura Di Lauto both show the spelling >>> Kapsperger. POD's CD >>> shows a reprint of that same title page, but the CD >>> itself is >>> entitled Kapsberger. Are the two versions of the name >>> interchangeable perhaps, or is one spelling just a >>> capricious version >>> of the other, like Douland, Doland etc. for Dowland? >>> On May 21, 2007, at 8:14 PM, Alain Veylit wrote: >>> >>>> Kapsperger or Kapsberger? >>>> Alain > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
