On 8/24/07 12:49 PM, "Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Martyn
> I just had a thought. If price is your main concern, for whatever
> reason, you could look at Banjo strings. Martin Shepherd, I think,
> told me he sometimes uses Purr'll Gut Strings for his top string.
> Their prices look very cheap, but I don't know about the quality.
> Perhaps Martyn used them on the top, because they were very strong,
> or because he wants cheap relacements, for the string which breaks most.
> http://gourdbanjo.com/GBhtml/gut.html
    I've been using Sierra Veiw's (gourdbanjo) purr'l gut for my trebles for
a couple of years and can attest that they are cheap and good (good enough,
at least).  I order the 1.5 meter length at no additional cost and get two
trebles from one string. Half a dozen of these gives me 12 trebles at less
than $15 US.
    Caveat: the smallest diameter he has is 4.25 mm, a little heavy for some
lutes.  I've had them to pitch (g) at A=440,  mensur=590 mm, but lately I've
been tuning a little lower than that.

Regards,
Leonard Williams

> Best regards
> Anthony
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Le 24 août 07 à 18:05, Martyn Hodgson a écrit :
> 
>> 
>>   Many thanks for this Anthony.
>> 
>>   My main motive for asking was the increasing cost of gut
>> (especially fret gut oddly enough) and Universale's prices seemed
>> very competitive - hence if their quality was OK then I'd order
>> from them rather than MP or Sofracob or Kurschner or others.  In
>> your email I'm not wholly clear if the Venice strings which you
>> mention as being v good are Aquila's or Universale's - grateful for
>> clarification.
>> 
>>   Regarding numbers of guts in a string, you may also be aware of
>> the view that the old trebles had a significantly higher tensile
>> strength because they were made of a single well selected gut
>> rather than two or three thinner guts twisted together which
>> inevitably introduced an element of discontinuity within the
>> string: I'm not aware that modern string makers have taken this
>> challenge up yet.
>> 
>>   regards,
>> 
>>   MH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   Dear Martyn
>> I don't know whether they are similar to Aquila Venice which
>> are a twine of two elements, and not a tress of three like Pistoys.
>> This according to Mimmo Perfuffo results in a more flexible string;
>> but I suppose flexibilty may not be everything.
>> 
>> I found the Venice very good, particularly on the 4th course, where
>> Pistoys can't work.
>> According to MP it doesn't matter what material (ram, cow etc) that
>> the gut comes from. He claims to have made blind tests to prove this.
>> 
>> On the other hand today we no longer find gut made from whole gut,
>> but strips. This might make a difference, perhaps. A friend of my
>> daughter has begun to keep a couple of "vintage" rare breed sheep,
>> and I notice how small and wild they look, more like miniature goats
>> (even the female has horns). I wonder whether sheep up to the 17th
>> century would not have been much smaller than today. I don't know
>> whether that means the intestines would have been smaller though. It
>> is just a thought.
>> 
>> M.P. also tells me that he has now rediscovered much of the old
>> technology in his ongoing research, and could produce some strings as
>> strong as nylon; however, the process would be painstakingly long,
>> and I suppose they would be very expensive.
>> 
>> I know that Dan Larson made a gimped string with tungsten that was
>> exceptionally true, and well liked by the lucky few who could try it.
>> This may not be historic, but I suppose it was cost that meant the
>> string remained in prototype form.
>> 
>> I have the impression that if more lutists showed interest in gut
>> strings, we would see some very interesting developments in this area.
>> Regards
>> Anthony
>> 
>> Le 24 août 07 à 17:10, Martyn Hodgson a écrit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Has anybody experience of strings by this specialist Italian
>>> company offering 'Highest quality ram's and ox's gut strings for
>>> Renaissance, Baroque and Classical performance'?
>>> 
>>> On their website they only show price lists for violin and gamba
>>> family instruments but offer 'Special ox's gut strings', High twist
>>> ram gut strings' Venice catlines' amongs others so I suppose culd
>>> provide suitable strings for lutes/guitars. Prices look good
>>> (especially fret gut).
>>> 
>>> MH
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> x's twist', 'Venice Catlines' so I suppose
>>> 
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