Out of curiosity, how does Adirondack (picea
rubens) stack up for nylon strung guitars?
ed
At 09:03 AM 10/2/2009, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote:
As I suspect you know, Mathias (and Ed), red spruce (Picea rubens) has been
a prized tonewood in the American guitar and mandolin industry from the 19th
c. on.
Getting a little discussion at the vihuela list is my newly rebuilt vihuela,
now topped in Lutz spruce (Picea x lutzii), which actually is a hybrid
between sitka (P. sitchensis) and white (P. glauca) spruces. I am quite
pleased with the result.
More popular North American spruces as tonewoods have been sitka on
metal-strung instruments and Engelmann (P. engelmannii) on gut-/nylon-strung
ones.
Best,
Eugene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
> Behalf Of "Mathias Rösel"
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:29 AM
> To: Edward Martin
> Cc: Lutelist
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
>
> "Edward Martin" <e...@gamutstrings.com> schrieb:
> > Yes, good wood is not cheap. You mentioned
> > spruce... I received my 11-course lute a week
> > ago! It had an accident, and the belly had been
> > destroyed. So, Dan Larson put a new top on it.
> > It is spruce from New England, known as
> > Adirondack spruce, or red spruce, or Appalacian
> > spruce. I have never heard of Adirondack used on a lute, prior to this
> one.
> > The results are beautiful! The treble is incredibly clear, singing.
>
> Yes, I read the thread with great interest. Also,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picea_rubens and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonewood#Topwoods_.28soundboard.29 have it
> that picea rubens is an excellent tonewood for soundboards. European
> luthiers don't use it as far as I'm aware, and I won't make it over the
> pond,unfortunately, in the near future so as to listen to your playing.
>
> Mathias
>
> > At 07:45 PM 10/1/2009, Mathias Rösel wrote:
> > >Yew for bowls e. g. is quite expensive in Old Europe as it was almost
> > >extinguished when yew was required for military bows. Good spruce is
> > >rare and not exactly cheap. Ebony for necks and fretboards still is
> > >exotic woods, rare and expensive, if I'm not mistaken. So, a good HIP
> > >lute cannot be cheap. But lutes still are cheap, compared to celli.
> > >
> > >My farthing FWIW
> > >
> > >Mathias
> > >
> > >"Jaros³aw Lipski" <jaroslawlip...@wp.pl> schrieb:
> > > > Well, it may be possible that some people
> > > will buy such a lute, but we have
> > > > to ask what is the reason for doing so. The
> > > lute is not only a device. I can
> > > > only quote Ernst Gottlieb Baron (1727) who says in his "Study of the
> lute":
> > > > "I once saw at Herr Hoffman's in Leipzig an old lute of solid
> copper,
> > > > heavily gilded on the back with many figures
> > > etched upon it, and the top was
> > > > of black ebony. But when I examined the tone, I found that this
> instrument
> > > > sounded more like an old pot than a true lute. Whoever wishes to
> have a
> > > > good-sounding instrument will choose good and appropriate wood."
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > Jaroslaw Lipski
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mustafa Umut Sarac" <mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "howard posner" <howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
> > > > Cc: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 11:24 PM
> > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There are some people wastes 50 years to create their art
> designs
> > > > > cheapest , no need to cnc lathes and enviromentally friendly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gave my 25 years to studying this kind of stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you look to Luigi Colani , he creates whatever he wants with
> hot
> > > > > wire cut foam.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think this is the cheapest , fastest , less complex , and
> using least
> > > > > electric technology.
> > > > >
> > > > > And no noise for home studios in the apartments
> > > > >
> > > > > Only you have to do is to create a moving hot wire inside foam.
> > > > >
> > > > > Than you fill the cut foam with polyester slowly , and seal the
> foam.
> > > > > There would be no nasty fume.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can fill the very thin foam cut with a syringe very slowly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I asked to produce a guitar with rapid production , rapid
> prototyping
> > > > > methods and it costs 3000 dollars without a neck . This is not
> > > > > intelligent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hot wire FOAM CUT is the best
> > > > >
> > > > > How you will produce the back , one by one and assembling the
> foams
> > > > > together precisely and fill with epoxy.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am seriously thinking to produce Lutes with this technology.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can produce carbon composites with adding graphite carbon
> powder in
> > > > > to the polymer !
> > > > >
> > > > > It is like using saw and a wood.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best ,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mustafa Umut Sarac
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Istanbul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >To get on or off this list see list information at
> > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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> >
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>
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>
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