"Roman Turovsky" <r.turov...@gmail.com> schrieb: > In any event: a Ukrainian cossack, resident in Vienna is credited with hte > coffee revolution: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Franciszek_Kulczycki > > and a correction: 1683 is the key date. > RT
Well, the Austrian-German version has it different. Pls ignore my mistakes, resulting from translation in a rush. M. Kolschitzky's being granted a privileged coffee house in 1686 together with two other combatants, seems to be a randomly invented rumour that was planted by the Piarist Gottfried Uhlich in 1783 in his Chronicles of the Second Turkish Siege of Vienna. The Kolitschky memorial in the Favoritenstraße was unveiled on Sept 12th 1885, the anniversary of the battle at Kahlenberg. According to most recent research, the first Viennese coffee house is said to have been set up in 1685 by the Armenian Johannes Diodato. Dass Kolschitzky 1686 zusammen mit zwei anderen Kriegsteilnehmern das Privileg des Kaffeeausschanks in Wien verliehen bekommen haben soll, ist angeblich eine willkürliche Erfindung, die der Piarist Gottfried Uhlich 1783 in seiner Chronik Geschichte der zweyten türkischen Belagerung Wiens, bey der hundertjährigen Gedächtnißfeyer in die Welt setzte. Kolschitzky starb 1694 im Alter von 54 Jahren völlig verarmt in Wien. Das Kolschitzky-Denkmal in der Favoritenstraße wurde am 12. September 1885, dem Jahrestag der Schlacht am Kahlenberg, enthüllt. Nach neuesten Erkenntnissen soll das erste Kaffeehaus in Wien 1685 durch den Armenier Johannes Diodato eröffnet worden sein. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "Roman Turovsky" <r.turov...@gmail.com> > Cc: "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:15 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: another day at the office > > > > In England they drank "small beer" which I think is less alcoholic. > > > > But in general they must have been very de-hydrated. > > > > Monica > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roman Turovsky" <r.turov...@gmail.com> > > To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "David Tayler" > > <vidan...@sbcglobal.net> > > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:47 PM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: another day at the office > > > > > >> Actually there is evidence of the opposite. > >> Before coffee overtook Europe in 1648, people drank little water (as > >> unsafe), but mostly beer (beer soup as standard European breakfast). So > >> all Europeans were slightly inebriated in their waking hours. > >> Caffeine-induced sober stimulatedness was the revolution that begat > >> coffeehouse conversation, which in turm begat Kant and Hamann. > >> RT > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "David Tayler" <vidan...@sbcglobal.net> > >> To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > >> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:29 PM > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: another day at the office > >> > >> > >>> > >>>>Or evidence that anyone performed sober? Perhaps only on special > >>>>occasions. > >>> > >>> d > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> How about the proposition that "there was no church in Italy in the > >>> first half of the17th century in which the singers all performed in > >>> the nude?" Well.. who knows? But how likely is it? > >>> Or evidence that anyone performed sober? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
