On 08/10/2011 09:45, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Dear Stuart,
One of the better mandora/gallichon sources (date around 1750). Regarding ornaments, can you tell me (piece number, bar, beat) which signs you're unsure about? Generally this MS uses the common signs: comma after a tablature letter = upper appoggiatura or/upper trill; semi-circle under a letter = lower appoggiatura (frequently on the second chord of a cadence and quite long as the style by mid 18th C) What about here: [1]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Trio.jpg bar 10 and especially bar 11 and here: [2]http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Trio1.jpg bar 2, penultimate bar of first section (bar 15). By the way, there are a few concordances with other mandora/gallichon MSs, including: Dresden Brescianello, Donaueschingen 1272; Note that the tablature needs amending in some pieces (possibly copyist errors), eg - No 165 (a little gem): line 2 bar 1 first beat needs amending to r d (on second) a (on first) and d (on fourth); - whole 30 bar missing line 5 between bar 2 and 3 - just follow the bass progression down I agree that there are some gems here. If you just skim sight read through a lot of pieces they can look disappointing but many are worth making more of an effort. I'm always dubious where a whole bar is repeated. For example No 159, a gigue (guigs?), second section, bars 6 and seven are the same and add up to an 11 bar subsection. I suspect that a bar has been repeated by mistake. On the other hand, No 111, Entree, bars 6and 7 of the second section are also identical but seem right?. This is a fine old piece with what almost sounds like a walking bass. (Would you do a rall in bar 8 of the second section?) And finally, all those menuets and trios: do you play the trio (same tempo) and then all of the minuet again? Thanks for any advice Stuart Martyn --- On Fri, 7/10/11, Stuart Walsh [3]<s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: From: Stuart Walsh [4]<s.wa...@ntlworld.com> Subject: [LUTE] Menuet for Mandora (Brussels MS 5.619) To: "Lute Net" [5]<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Friday, 7 October, 2011, 22:28 I bought the Brussels mandora book (MS5.619) a long time ago and every so often have looked through the pieces on a six-string guitar or Ren lute (with the third course up a semitone). Lots of short dances and many are quite similar to one another. I can't find anything more specific than 1700-1750 (!) as a date. I've been looking through it again, now with the Lute Society's mandora on loan. There are lots of little errors knocking about and I just can't figure out what some of the ornament signs are meant to mean. There are lots of minuets preceding trios - so presumably it's minuet-trio-minuet? (the full minuet with repeats?). This doesn't seem particularly convincing.(Like a meal with a large first course, then a dessert, and then another large main course again) Anyway here's a minuet, without the following trio. I think it has quite a push to it and reminds me of Logy's guitar music. [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaQTcWPAnbU Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Trio.jpg 2. http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/Trio1.jpg 3. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 4. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaQTcWPAnbU 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
