Dea= r All, This discussion feeds into one of my pet theories: T= hat Cabezon's keyboard tablature could be read by professional vihuelists a= nd harpers. Cabezon's tab is quite straightforward and logical. Any thought= s? Cheers, Jim Stimson
= ; = On 12/0= 5/11, Ron Andrico<praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: I agree wholeheartedly that transposing is a basic 'musicianship' sk= ill that, like improvisation, professional musicians should possess. Tha= t is not to say every lutenist should spend the vast amounts of time and= energy to develop this skill, since it's challenging enough just pla= ying what's on the page sometimes. But the very idea that the notes as t= hey appear on the page as 'sacrosanct' is counter to every ideal of true= musicianship of any age. Sure, Dowland's song accompaniments are a litt= le more worked out than Campion's, for instance, but a musician's skill = should be measured in his or her ability to grasp the horizontal and ver= tical elements of a lute song accompaniment and, at the same time, inter= pret the sounds apparently intended by the combination of open and finge= red strings in whatever transposed pitch. Having accompanied pop sing= ers and played lounge acts, I can tell you it's a necessary skill to be = able to work out an interesting accompaniment and even compose your own = bass line on the spot from nothing more than chord symbols. There is no = reason to think that historical musicians did not possess this skill. My only quibble with your essay, David, is the part about the 'Armada' = class. Ian Harwood's article in the Lute (2007?) on Mathew Holmes and Jo= hn Case dispels the idea that those who were granted degrees actually at= tended lectures. It appears that they pretty much paid the price and sub= mitted the required test composition and, poof, they were granted the de= gree. That's not to say they were slackers as far as studying the scienc= e of music. RA > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:44:36 -0800 > To: = [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > CC: [2]vidan...@sbcglobal.net &g= t; From: [3]vidan...@sbcglobal.net > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Transpos= ing lute tablature on sight > > Transposition at sight would ha= ve been possible for the best players, > after all, some could hear a= piece once and then write it down. > The only question is how many c= ould do it. > Generally speaking, in the modern era, if your teachers= insisted that > you learn transposition, or if it was a requirement = at the > conservatory, then you have that skill, just like any other = skill. > Of course anyone who want to can learn it, like any other sk= ill. > If you watch Letterman, you can see Paul at the Keyboard make = up an > accompaniment in absolutely any key. The guest starts singing= , > impromptu, and Paul will play one and only one note (I assume he<= BR>> therefore does not have perfect pitch) he then instantly calculates= the > difference from the note the guest sang and the note he pla= yed, derives > the key (it could be any key, no matter how horrend= ous) then adds a > complete harmony. If the guest starts of in C Shar= p major, well, Paul > just plays along. > Anyone with these kin= ds of skills could transpose anything. > Another way to look at it is= visualization. If you look at tab and see > a keyboard score, tra= nsposition is straightforward. > However, if you look at tab and see = finger positions, you then need to > add that intermediate step of= seeing the notes. > I personally feel that in order to play the tab = you have to see the > voice leading, but it is more important for som= e pieces than others. > And it surely must have been the case back wh= enever that different > people saw different things. An organist who = played the lute would > surely visualize all the parts; a singer who = played the lute could > presumably pick out a cue melody. And of cour= se in Spain they sang from > tab. > Since organ tablature an= d german tab are so complicated, it seems > likely that for some play= ers visualizing the polyphony would have been > pretty easy in com= parison, or, if you grew up singing polyphony, it > would also be sec= ond nature. > What you "see" when you look at tab is a very interesti= ng question. > After looking at upside down tab for a while, your min= d turns it > around, just as our eye inverts images through its lens.= > When we see patterns that we have seen before, we relate them i= nstantly > to a set of interpretive memories. These pattern can be ta= b patterns, > with no notes involved, or note patterns, or a combinat= ion. The mind is > very flexible in what is "sees." > Even t= hose who don't "see" any notes in the tab will instantly > recognize = a familiar ground bass or passemezzo either by eye or by ear. > Si= milarly, those who transpose music use widely different and complex >= processes. You can "play" two chords, either in real sound or in your &= gt; imagination, and transpose them by ear without even using a notation= al > intermediary, and folk musicians do this all the time. You can u= se > muscle memory to instantly transpose G to F because your fingers= know > that "G down a tone" feels a certain way, positionally. You c= an then > transpose without tab or notes, just using kinesthetics. > I often use "instant letter" to transpose on the baroque guitar but> also on the lute and theorbo. > "Instant letter" uses letter n= ames as an intermediary instead of the > full polyphonic web, and as = such is easier for sight-reading. > You look at the first chord of ev= ery bar, you give it a letter, then > count up or down, and play the = letter. So you "see" G, count down one > to F, then play F. As the pi= ece moves along, you zip along to the > middle of the bar or to the n= ext bar and repeat the process. The system > is fast enough that y= ou can make this calculation, with very little > training or practice= , fast enough to outline a basic harmony on all but > the quickest= tempi. Second time through you can fill in the voice > leading, or m= ake up your own. > Another "transnotation" I use is to simply see the= tab as a figured > bass. When sight reading, I use the "first note n= umber" system. Here, > you don't like at the whole chord, you stop lo= oking as soon as you see > a note that changes the chord from 5/3 = to 6/3, major or minor, or 4. > Since most of the patterns will be al= ong those lines, and since context > will dictate which chord is l= ikely to be used, you can also make this > transnotation in real time= . And if you play music from 1600-1630 this > is a very useful skill.= > The "Armada" class of 1588 at at Oxford, including Dowland and = Morley, > would have had a high level of musical training including u= sing the > hexachord for basic transposition. > Reading through= Morley's theoretical work, it is astonishing how high > the level of= training was at Oxford. > David v.O.--my guess, as a rule of thumb, = pieces are easier to play > down a tone BUT have better 3-4 part real= ization in the higher key; > that is, the parts can usually be slight= ly extended without running > into fingering dead dead ends. > = However, this isn't always true. Another possibility is that in a > p= olyphonic composition, the composer wanted fewer open strings so the >= ; sound would be more balanced in the voices. > A counter example is = Ferrabosco's F minor piece in Var. that really > seems centered on th= e open strings. So different composers were looking > for a differ= ent aesthetic. > dt > > -- > > > To get= on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmou= th.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. 3D"mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 2. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/3D"mail= 3. 3D"mailto:vidan...@sbcglobal.net" 4. 3D"http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/" To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html