What you call an early Italian 'lute-shaped guitar' is more
likely nothing else but - a lute.
MH
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From: r.turov...@gmail.com <r.turov...@gmail.com>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Bruno Correia" <bruno.l...@gmail.com>, "Lutelist"
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 12:21
The argument is that chitarrone is the bass variety of Italian
lute-shaped guitar, that later was theorboed, and eventually conflated
with theorbo.
And this makes perfect sense.
RT
On 10/17/2012 4:04 AM, Monica Hall wrote:
> In a nutshell what Meucci has argued is that the term "chitarra" is
derived from the Greek term "kithara" which refers to any plucked
stringed instrument. In early Italian sources "chitarra" refers to a
small member of the lute family not to the figure of 8 shaped guitar.
>
> The guitar was almost unknown in Italy until the early 17th century
and is almost invariably known as the "chitarra spagnola" to
distinguish it from the "chitarra italiana".
>
> The "chitarrone" is a large lute - not a large guitar. The
inter-relationship between the chitarrone and the Spanish guitar in the
early song repertoire is a complex one but it does seem that the
chordal style of playing associated with the guitar did have some
influence on lute accompaniments.
>
> I am afraid Groves is not a very reliable source of information for a
lot of lute/guitar related topics.
>
> Best
>
> Monica
>
>
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>
>> The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone:
>>
>>
>>
>> "The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term
>> (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was associated
>> particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the other early
>> writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630."
>>
>> Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to say it
>> simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was developed in the
>> first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino line,
just as
>> the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming
technique.
>> The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to the guitar
>> writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs,
campanellas
>> efect e so on...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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