Hill's Early Music paper 'Realized continuo accompaniments from
Florence c.1600' is indeed interesting and usefully explores some early
continuo realisations. But it has one vital flaw: Hill supposes that
many of the intabulations were conceived for the archlute rather than,
more likely, a theorbo. This explains why he finds the resultant upper
line awkward and disjointed - with a theorbo most of these 'problem'
passages are much more smoothly melodic.
MH
--- On Wed, 17/10/12, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
To: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
Cc: "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 12:17
There is also the article by John Hill in Early Music, Vol. 11, no. 2,
April 1983, p. 194-208 which does mention the possible influence of the
guitar on the lute -
"Realized continuo accompaniments from Florence c.1600".
I am not sure if it is available on line unless you have a
subscription.
Monica
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To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[2]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "Bruno Correia" <[3]bruno.l...@gmail.com>;
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
>
> And you can find Bob's article on-line in
> [6]http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/
>
> Arto
>
> On 17/10/12 11:07, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>> Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named
after
>> the ancient 'kithara' used by classical Greek poets to accompany
their
>> recitations and, like so much renaissance thinking, seems to
have been
>> a concious attempt to recapture something of the glories (as
they saw
>> it) of the ancient world.
>>
>> See Bob Spencer's article in Early Music Oct 1976.
>>
>> MH
>> --- On Wed, 17/10/12, [7]r.turov...@gmail.com
<[8]r.turov...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: [9]r.turov...@gmail.com <[10]r.turov...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
>> To: "Bruno Correia" <[11]bruno.l...@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "List LUTELIST" <[12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 2:59
>>
>> The Grove chitarrone info is outdated.
>> It is a large CHITARRA ITALIANA.
>> See Renato Meucci's article apropos.
>> RT
>> On 10/16/2012 9:11 PM, Bruno Correia wrote:
>> > The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing
term
>> > (chitarrone means, literally, a large kithara) was
associated
>> > particularly with Jacopo Peri, Giulio Caccini and the
other early
>> > writers of monody from the 1590s until about 1630."
>> >
>> > Has anybody challenged this etymology? Wouldn't be safe to
say it
>> > simply derived from the chitarra (guitar)? Is was
developed in
>> the
>> > first place to acompany, playing chordally from a contino
line,
>> just as
>> > the 5 course guitar would do, though without the struming
>> technique.
>> > The solo repertoire that came later looks very close to
the
>> guitar
>> > writing: chords a little counterpoint, arpeggios, slurs,
>> campanellas
>> > efect e so on...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Bruno Correia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pesquisador autonomo da pratica e interpretac,ao
>> >
>> > historicamente informada no alaude e teorba.
>> >
>> > Doutor em Praticas Interpretativas pela
>> >
>> > Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
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>> References
>>
>> 1. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>
>
>
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2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bruno.l...@gmail.com
4. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com
5. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
6. http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/
7. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com
8. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com
9. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com
10. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com
11. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bruno.l...@gmail.com
12. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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