Dear Chris, I'm not sure of what you mean by conservative: Piccinini is as conservative as his fellow Frescobaldi...I play arciliuto (in piccinini's acceptance) with short nails, no nail on the thumb, as describe by P. : it works, as is "dedillo" ornament, which is very efficient. As far as I know, Yasunori Imamura plays with this dedillo very often, and for a brilliant result. I have to say that this dedillo doesn't work very well on single strings, by my own experience. Le Mercredi 17 juin 2015 9h06, Martin Shepherd <mar...@luteshop.co.uk> a A(c)crit : Absolutely, Chris - there were obviously some very idiosyncratic players in the 17th century, and of course they weren't trying to do anything "historical". For us, in a totally different position, this is a reason to be suspicious of all modern orthodoxies while being mindful of such historical evidence as there is. The fact that the historical evidence is patchy or inconsistent is not an excuse for ignoring it altogether. We could make quite a good case for using metal strings on a liuto attiorbato or even a variety of theorbo (Piccinini's Bolognese"pandora"), also for playing with nails. Single strings on any kind of lute is a much harder case to make. M On 16/06/2015 23:55, Christopher Wilke wrote: > Ron, > Not sure how much of an outlier we can really say Castaldi was. > Castaldi, Kapsperger, Pittoni, Melii... All those Italian seicento > theorbo dudes were highly (and, to me, delightfully) idiosyncratic. On > the face of it, Piccinini might at first seem to be the most > conservative, but this was the guy who describes playing gruppi with a > sweeping motion of the index finger while filling in other moving parts > with the thumb and other fingers - all with nails, of course. (Anyone > doing this on gut today?) > It's pretty hard to get an idea of what consituted "normal practice" > with this cast of characters whose work has survived. > Chris > [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > At Jun 16, 2015, 5:10:32 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > Apart from Castaldi being something of an outlier, one doesn't like to > rely too much on illustrations, where you can find all sorts of > oddities. > RA > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:54:13 +0000 > > To: [2][1]praelu...@hotmail.com; [3][2]mar...@luteshop.co.uk; > [4][3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > From: [5][4]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba > > > > ..and Castaldi's illustration is phoney? r > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [6][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > [mailto:[7][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Ron Andrico > > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 3:29 PM > > To: [8][7]mar...@luteshop.co.uk; [9][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba > > > > Thank you for this, Martin.&nb= sp; The un-historical continuo > > instrument has become the norm with the ma= ny faux baroque > orchestras > > we see here in the US, as is true with many ot= her aspects of their > > music and performance style. ; It's tiresome to = the ears of the > > cognoscenti and rather undermines the efforts of those of u= s who > > attempt to emulate historical examples. > > RA > > >; = Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:47:20 +0200 > > >; To: [10][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >; From: [11][10]mar...@luteshop.co.uk > > >; Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tiorba ; > > >; What bothers me is that we now see the totally > > &= gt; single-strung (with wound basses, of course) liuto > > attiorbato as th= e > > >; standard modern continuo instrument in everything from Dowland= to > > >; Vivaldi. As far as I'm concerned, it's a modern "folk" in > strument. > > >; Nothing wrong with it except the claim that it is som= ehow > > "historical". > > >; > > >; M > > > > -- > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [12][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > -- > > References > > 1. [12]https://yho.com/footer0 > 2. javascript:return > 3. javascript:return > 4. javascript:return > 5. javascript:return > 6. javascript:return > 7. javascript:return > 8. javascript:return > 9. javascript:return > 10. javascript:return > 11. javascript:return > 12. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. [14]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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