Definitely 17th century? -----Original Message----- From: "r.turov...@gmail.com" <r.turov...@gmail.com> Sent: â24/â11/â2015 18:56 To: "Stuart Walsh" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>; "David Van Edwards" <da...@vanedwards.co.uk> Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?
That's my take. A 17th century blond joke. RT On 11/24/2015 1:47 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: > Somebody with the intention and the skill and knowledge to create a fake 17th > century Dutch master would surely have not included all the odd things that > David points to. Could the painting be the equivalent of a sort of folly? > > -----Original Message----- > From: "David Van Edwards" <da...@vanedwards.co.uk> > Sent: ÑÐÐ24/ÑÐÐ11/ÑÐÐ2015 17:22 > To: "WALSH STUART" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com> > Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another lute picture? > > Dear Stuart, > > No you're right. I cannot see how it could possibly be genuine. And I > thought I'd been pretty clear in the article, but maybe my lightly > ironic tone doesn't make it across the pond. > > Best wishes, > > David > > > > At 17:08 +0000 24/11/15, WALSH STUART wrote: >> On 24/11/2015 15:36, David Van Edwards wrote: >>> However I think the painting I discussed was simply copying the prop[s] >>> from Eglon van der Neer's works! The physical impossibility of holding >>> such a lute in such a position without grossly disturbing the diapason >>> strings makes me think that the painting has nothing to do with either >>> van der Neer or van der Werff. Plus all the other anachronisms! >> >> Fascinating. >> >> >> David, I read your interpretation as being much more sceptical about >> this painting than the people who have so far contributed to this >> thread. Am I wrong? >> >> >> >> Stuart >> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> David >>> >>> At 08:38 -0600 24/11/15, AJN wrote: >>> >>> There are paintings of the interiors of artists' studios that >>> show >>> props used in pictures: >>> busts, skulls, ornate chairs, drapes and sometimes (iirc) musical >>> instruments. Such >>> props are even listed in tax inventories, I understand. >>> Art historians have traced some from painting to painting, e.g., >>> an >>> ornate three-leg chair. >>> Instruments might serve, as perhaps is the case in this painting, >>> as symbols of the harmonious nature of love. The over reaction >>> of the >>> sitters in >>> this painting recalls, at least to me, the depictions of various >>> emotions illustrated in old treatises on acting. "Hamming it up" >>> seems >>> to have been part of theatrical performances >>> in the past. So, one might argue, this painting may have been >>> intended >>> as a serious depiction. Ad the angles of the >>> two instruments, as Gary notes, may have been foremost in the >>> artist's >>> plan. >>> On the other hand, musicians would surely demand precision in the >>> depiction of fingerings, holding the instrument, etc., >>> because their professional competency might otherwise be >>> questioned. >>> Interesting discovery, David. I must visit your web page more >>> >>> frequently. Arthur >>> >>> -- >>> >>> The Smokehouse, >>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>> England. >>> >>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > --
