Definitely 17th century?

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Sent: ‎24/‎11/‎2015 18:56
To: "Stuart Walsh" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>; "David Van Edwards" 
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?

That's my take. A 17th century blond joke.
RT

On 11/24/2015 1:47 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote:
> Somebody with the intention and the skill and knowledge to create a fake 17th 
> century Dutch master would surely have not included all the odd things that 
> David points to. Could the painting be the equivalent of a sort of folly?
>
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> From: "David Van Edwards" <da...@vanedwards.co.uk>
> Sent: тАО24/тАО11/тАО2015 17:22
> To: "WALSH STUART" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
> Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Another lute picture?
>
> Dear Stuart,
>
> No you're right. I cannot see how it could possibly be genuine. And I
> thought I'd been pretty clear in the article, but maybe my lightly
> ironic tone doesn't make it across the pond.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David
>
>
>
> At 17:08 +0000 24/11/15, WALSH STUART wrote:
>> On 24/11/2015 15:36, David Van Edwards wrote:
>>>      However I think the painting I discussed was simply copying the prop[s]
>>>      from Eglon van der Neer's works! The physical impossibility of holding
>>>      such a lute in such a position without grossly disturbing the diapason
>>>      strings makes me think that the painting has nothing to do with either
>>>      van der Neer or van der Werff. Plus all the other anachronisms!
>>
>> Fascinating.
>>
>>
>> David, I read your interpretation as being much more sceptical about
>> this painting than the people who have so far contributed to this
>> thread. Am I wrong?
>>
>>
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>>      Best wishes,
>>>
>>>      David
>>>
>>>      At 08:38 -0600 24/11/15, AJN wrote:
>>>
>>>           There are paintings of the interiors of artists' studios that
>>>        show
>>>           props used in pictures:
>>>           busts, skulls, ornate chairs, drapes and sometimes (iirc) musical
>>>           instruments.  Such
>>>           props are even listed in tax inventories, I understand.
>>>           Art historians have traced some from painting to painting, e.g.,
>>>        an
>>>           ornate three-leg chair.
>>>           Instruments might serve, as perhaps is the case in this painting,
>>>           as symbols of the harmonious nature of love.  The over reaction
>>>        of the
>>>           sitters in
>>>           this painting recalls, at least to me, the depictions of various
>>>           emotions illustrated in old treatises on acting.  "Hamming it up"
>>>        seems
>>>           to have been part of theatrical performances
>>>           in the past. So, one might argue, this painting may have been
>>>        intended
>>>           as a serious depiction.  Ad the angles of the
>>>           two instruments, as Gary notes, may have been foremost in the
>>>        artist's
>>>           plan.
>>>           On the other hand, musicians would surely demand precision in the
>>>           depiction of fingerings, holding the instrument, etc.,
>>>           because their professional competency might otherwise be
>>>        questioned.
>>>           Interesting discovery, David.  I must visit your web page more
>>>
>>>           frequently.  Arthur
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