Well said! Thank you! A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist
> On Jun 19, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Ron Andrico <praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I feel I must add a word of support for Julian Bream and his many > contributions to the current lute revival. > > As a 20th-century pioneering concert artist, Julian Bream first and > foremost raised the lute from a quaint closet instrument, best suited > to historians and eccentrics, to an instrument capable of musical > expression that reached and communicated to modern audiences. > > Yes, Julian Bream developed and employed his own characteristic > technique. And yes, he used instruments that were modified from > historical models to suit his needs as a touring concert artist. But > it was through his musical chops that he exposed a broad audience to > the depth and the possibilities of old music for the lute. > > Bream-bashing has been a popular sport among modern players who like to > dwell on what is now considered proper lute technique, but many of > these players for all intents and purposes dwell in glass houses. For > instance, I still see an absurd number of modern players (who really > should know better) using thumb-under technique on baroque lute and > theorbo. This is patently unhistorical. In fact, it is well known > that music from circa 1600 onward should be played with the thumb out. > > While the lute world is populated by an abundance of opinionated > hobbyists, Julian Bream is a real musician, and probably still has > chops most lute players will never attain. Let's give the man the > respect he deserves. > > RA > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf > of Gary Boye <boy...@appstate.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:23 AM > To: Edward C. Yong > Cc: Jurgen Frenz; Lute List > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute > > Edward, > Back in the '70s, there was a quip that "Julian Bream makes the lute > sound like a guitar and the guitar sound like a lute." I think that > came from guitarists who had no idea what the lute could sound like. > He was pretty amazing in concert (on guitar, I didn't see him play > lute), and quite a character off stage. In addition to "lute," he > also > played "vihuela" and "Baroque guitar" (quotes used intentionally!) . > . > . Can't say I'd recommend his early music recordings to students > today > though.. > Gary > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 5:39 AM Edward C. Yong > <[1]edward.y...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have to agree. JB used his stardom to get the lute out there, > even > if it was a Frankenlute with nothing lute about it apart from the > shape. > Would anyone have paid attention to his lute playing if it hadn't > ridden on the back of his guitarist reputation? Probably not. > I recognise that many here were introduced to the lute via JB's > efforts, but my own experience was rather different. My first > exposure to lute music was an LP of Julian Bream playing Dowland > in > my school library, and that put me off the lute - it sounded like > a > classical guitar to me, so at 12, I didn't see the point. It > wasn't > until a year later that I heard Paul O'Dette and Jakob Lindberg's > cd > of Elizabethan lute duets and that changed my mind entirely - I > wanted to play an instrument that sounded like theirs. > While I have much respect for JB being a musician on the guitar > and > an 'early adopter', I fear I find his tone on the lute to be thin > and hard, or âmetallic sharp' as Mr Frenz calls it. It's difficult > for me to look past the tone and appreciate JB's musicianship on > the > lutewhen I find the tone unattractive - and this is my failing, > not > JB's. > Edward >> On 19 Jun 2019, at 12:40 PM, Jurgen Frenz > <[2]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote: >> >> Julian Bream was a vital part (I believe) of the lute revival 50 > years ago by making the music public. On the downside of it he > played guitar technique on it to the point of using singe strings > on > both the high G and D courses - it allowed him to play apoyando on > the lute which is a big no-no. Hence his lute playing doesn't > really > sound like a lute. Also, at that time, it was common guitar > technique to use sound differences to emphasize or mark formal > sections by moving the right hand extremely close to the bridge, > which creates a very metallic sharp sound. This has fallen out of > favor on the guitar as well, I personally would qualify it as > obnoxious, even more so on the lute. >> If you like it, you may listen to Konrad Ragossnigs lute > recordings, he sounds very much like Bream did. >> >> Best >> Jurgen >> >> >> ---------------------------------- >> "Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there." >> >> JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi >> >> âââââââ Original Message âââââââ >> On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 6:13 AM, Franz Mechsner > <[3]franz.mechs...@gmx.de> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dan, >>> >>> Julian Bream actually pioneered lute playing very early. Watch >>> this beautiful movie on him that makes me smile (lute things > come >>> somewhere in the >>> middle): >>> [1][4]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DMUdunh-5FwMCI&d=DwIFaQ&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=L-woKFsGEgVr-wM5eR4HtvgdwT5A8WsSa4oO_WJPKZc&s=bfwrzdDINc2O_NwVxHRoDungfboyY5cGGQqVQbgdYds&e= >>> >>> >>> Warm regards and best >>> Franz >>> >>> Dr. Franz Mechsner >>> Zum Kirschberg 40 >>> D-14806 Belzig OT Borne >>> +49(0)33841 441362 >>> [5]franz.mechs...@gmx.de >>> >>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2019 um 01:07 Uhr >>> Von: "Dan Winheld" [6]dwinh...@lmi.net >>> An: "Franz Mechsner" [7]franz.mechs...@gmx.de, > [8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Julian Bream on Lute >>> Nope. Never heard of him. >>> On 6/18/2019 3:49 PM, Franz Mechsner wrote: >>> >>>> Dear collective wisdom, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I just heard some pieces played by admired guitarist Julian > Bram > on >>> >>> the >>> >>>> lute. It seems to me he played kind of classical guitar style > on > the >>> >>>> lute. Strange, but It sounds wonderful to me, not only bold > for > the >>> >>>> time. Does anyone understand how he played the (maybe special) > lute >>> >>> and >>> >>>> produced the wonderful sound on a lute admittedly built for > him? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Best and curious >>> >>>> Franz >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dr. Franz Mechsner >>> >>>> Zum Kirschberg 40 >>> >>>> D-14806 Belzig OT Borne >>> >>>> +49(0)33841 441362 >>> >>>> [9]franz.mechs...@gmx.de >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> >>>> [2][10]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=L-woKFsGEgVr-wM5eR4HtvgdwT5A8WsSa4oO_WJPKZc&s=y4N6T_sokB4PvHI-cmZoh0B8WgLP_U04oMDIZXSzai8&e= >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. >>> [11]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DMUdunh-5FwMCI&d=DwIFaQ&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=L-woKFsGEgVr-wM5eR4HtvgdwT5A8WsSa4oO_WJPKZc&s=bfwrzdDINc2O_NwVxHRoDungfboyY5cGGQqVQbgdYds&e= >>> >>> 2. >>> [12]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=L-woKFsGEgVr-wM5eR4HtvgdwT5A8WsSa4oO_WJPKZc&s=y4N6T_sokB4PvHI-cmZoh0B8WgLP_U04oMDIZXSzai8&e= >>> >> >> >> >> > -- > Dr. Gary R. 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