Guy, Thanks for the mention in the Minnesota renaissance festival. I played at it in the late 70’s, but discontinued it as it got to be too much. Ed
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 6:07 PM, guy_and_liz Smith <guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote: > > One of the Minnesota Ren Faire's that I went to when I lived there in the > early eighties included a booth for Dan Larson, who must have been just > starting his business. I nearly ordered one of his six course instruments to > replace my old German heavy lute (Steiner), and I wish I had. Apart from > that, I haven't seen much in the way of authentic music at any of the Ren > Faires that I've attended. It's mostly filk singing (spelling is correct...), > random folk music, and Celtic music, especially the headliners. > > That said, I've always enjoyed them, but more in the sense of "recreating the > Middle Ages as they should have been". > > Guy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Shoskes > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 3:31 PM > To: Chris Wilke > Cc: Lute List > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance/Medieval Fairs > > A few years ago I went to the Great Lakes Medieval Fair with my kids with > zero expectation of seeing anything remotely historically lutenistic. Sure > enough, in the distance I saw someone playing a lute. As I got closer I saw > that it had real tied gut frets. Closer still and the performer was clearly > playing thumb under and I could hear real Dowland. > > Turns out it was Oberlin lutenist Michael Manderen. He plays lute and gamba > at Great Lakes and also the Michigan Renaissance Fair. Careful with those > bets Chris! > > Danny > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Christopher Wilke >> <chriswi...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: >> >> One of those "Ye Olde Renaissance Fayres" once made me some easy money. >> I attended with a friend who was a classical guitarist. I was going >> just for the fun of it with no expectation of historical accuracy. My >> friend said, "I'll bet YOU'RE super excited to be here." I asked why he >> thought I'd be so especially enthusiastic about the event. "Because >> you'll get your fill of lutes," he replied. I said I'd be surprised to >> see a single lute. He bet me $50 we would. I had a real nice dinner >> that night. >> >> Chris >> [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> On Thursday, September 26, 2019, 10:00 AM, Braig, Eugene >> <brai...@osu.edu> wrote: >> >> "Lucky America: having looked through musical performances at >> Renaissance Fairs, we see many ensembles actually performing >> appropriate songs and dances." >> >> This may be a bit too generous. Some make/made real efforts (for >> example, spanning two or three decades, Ohio State University [OSU] >> held a "Renaissance Faire" that strove to book performers of 16th and >> 17th music). However, most feature performers in renaissance garb, >> badly aping modern cockney accents, and strumming new songs in >> imitation of Irish drinking tunes on modern steel-string guitars. Even >> OSU's went the "fantasy" route around a decade or two ago andâafter a >> total run of 45 yearsâfinally ceased to exist by 2019. >> >> In OSU's ren-faire glory days, I approached a friend who specialized in >> English lute music. I wanted to split a set with her playing >> Elizabethan lute pieces (she has a lovely 7-course Watanabe) and me >> playing vihuela music on, of all things, vihuela (pre-Chambure >> discovery, mine is based on iconography) to highlight the "armada" >> conflict. It never came together, and I have thus never played such a >> "faire." Not owning a period costume, I don't really have the >> incentive any longer. >> >> Eugene >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu >> <[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von >> Neumann >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 9:30 AM >> >> To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> >> Subject: [LUTE] Renaissance/Medieval Fairs >> >> So here's something different for a change. >> >> Why is it that in the US there are "Renfairs", all dedicated to mainly >> the 16th century (and some really stretching it by allowing some >> fantasy elements), while in Germany we only have "Mittelaltermärkte" >> (Medieval Fairs). >> >> What I don't like about the Medieval Fairs in Germany (though some are >> quite good and only allow painstakingly recreated authentic stuff), is >> the music. >> >> Since we don't know much about instrumental music of the Middle Ages, >> many people take this as an excuse to brutally treat the crowd with >> Techno-like monster beats by huge drums and ear-shattering bagpiping. >> >> I have very rarely heard "real" Medival Music apart from some Walter >> von der Vogelweide favourites and the occasional Oswald von >> Wolkenstein. >> >> Even the popular "Estampies" are rarely heard, and we rarely get even >> simplified versions of tunes from British Library Add. 29987. >> >> If you're not blasted by bagpipes, there will be bawdy songs in >> pseudo-medieval folk style, of course played on totally inappropriate >> instruments. >> >> While I think I would love to take my lute to such an event, I would be >> totally anachronistic, and I do not want to join the "Medieval" >> >> musicians presenting 16th century music like Susato or even Praetorius >> as "medieval". >> >> These events have musically corrupted the ear of the common audience. >> >> Whenever someone hears 16th century lute music they consider it >> "medieval"... >> >> Lucky America: having looked through musical performances at >> Renaissance Fairs, we see many ensembles actually performing >> appropriate songs and dances. >> >> Here's a great example (if the lute player is here: good job you two) >> >> [5]https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-RptxRpTiHo&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622138993&sdata=H4Va50xKKHODV5oqF8VO30yKLmEr5DPEmGMTYdNgKUw%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Also madrigal singers: >> >> >> [6]https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjYc7AqSTZXY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622138993&sdata=yM0uQ4v1vBDwPd1vWnyzDgB%2Bf2QKVV0ZCRny3Mk2vI0%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Anachronisms are sometimes good fun, as the madrigal version of Katy >> Perry shows, but it seems madrigal singers really enjoy the original >> material like Dowland songs or Italian vocal music. >> >> >> [7]https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCIsHkuVTzDE&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622148998&sdata=w%2BQbOF7sHD6SxwMEaz4GKknYoZnbGamw9WhD1u3DYKY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Of course there are some of those folk singers too, but the style is >> more appropriate for the age represented. >> >> So here's the survey - how many of you have at least performed once at >> a Renaissance Fair in the US (or other countries) - or in case of >> Germany, at a "Mittelaltermarkt"? (are there attempts to establish a >> Renaissance fair beside the Medieval ones?) >> >> How is the response to actual lute music? >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> >> [8]https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622148998&sdata=yxSasTBby3MCuqhdVCwfFtPWllUoQx%2Bq%2BneQLg26Uas%3D&reserved=0 >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foverview.mail.yahoo.com%2F%3F.src%3DiOS&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622148998&sdata=3stD%2BH8ukrFY2b%2FngBuZgEuBpkrNOfa30qm6GWFF84k%3D&reserved=0 >> 2. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu >> 3. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu >> 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> 5. >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D-RptxRpTiHo&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622148998&sdata=dOAU5y5OmhAMAdfkX3JNzo9EUCIrWfbdjSfkXG%2Fa7Vk%3D&reserved=0 >> 6. >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjYc7AqSTZXY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622148998&sdata=RVV%2BnqjwvgEF26q14NVJMQ%2BXBZS7pUks0uC763%2FtRnM%3D&reserved=0 >> 7. >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCIsHkuVTzDE&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622148998&sdata=w%2BQbOF7sHD6SxwMEaz4GKknYoZnbGamw9WhD1u3DYKY%3D&reserved=0 >> 8. >> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.cs.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C2c7d1950cbfc41687d5a08d742d17117%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637051339622148998&sdata=yxSasTBby3MCuqhdVCwfFtPWllUoQx%2Bq%2BneQLg26Uas%3D&reserved=0 >> > > > > >
