Makes sense.
--Sarge
On 3/16/2020 09:53, David van Ooijen wrote:
Some years ago I recorded all the Terzi diets and had a good look at
his intabulations. Not easy, but not impossible. Here's what I wrote
at the time:
[1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/terzis-intabulations/
Davud
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 at 17:49, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
<[2]sa...@gerbode.net> wrote:
That seems right. I have encountered a number of intabulations of
multi-voice (like 5-6) pieces that seem unplayable (and not just to
me),
and I reached the conclusion that they were conceptual and the
player
did the best they could.
--Sarge
On 3/16/2020 03:08, Ron Andrico wrote:
> I think it is generally accepted that fret positions that
would call
> for glued frets on the belly are conceptual. Meaning, if
there was a
> fret there, it would be an o.
>
> Molinaro's music is rich in rapid passage work but the real
difficulty
> lies in managing the counterpoint. He was an organist and
some of his
> lute tablature transcribed into keyboard notation could sound
very well
> on an organ. I think he just worked out his lute
arrangements to the
> fullest and expected that the player would aim for that ideal
or modify
> as necessary.
>
> RA
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: [3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu
> <[4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Sean
Smith
> <[5]lutesm...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:32 PM
> To: lute <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Molinaro 12
>
> Are we assuming belly frets up there?
> s
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:27 AM Christopher Stetson
> <[1][7]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...or had large hands. Actually, though, I don't find
them more
> technically difficult than many of the chanson
intabulations of
> earlier
> publications.
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 1:12 PM Tristan von Neumann
> <[1][2][8]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
> But seriously, how do you play
> (pardon my French)
> o
> k
> i
> ??
> Molinaro must have played a small lute...
> On 15.03.20 17:59, Sean Smith wrote:
> > I foolishly mentioned that to him once. In
his
> defense
> he
> pointed out
> > it was his first recording nearly 30 years
ago. I'm
> still
> pretty
> > impressed with it.
> > And then there's his Terzi cd that is top
notch.
> > Sean
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 11:22 AM Jurgen
Frenz
> >
<[1][2][3][9]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > what about asking him?
> > Some fool (for our free of charge
pleasure)
> uploaded
> a CD
> of
> > Molinaro pieces played by Paul Beier (do
you happen
> to know
> him?).
> > Mea culpa I downloaded it - but I
believe I can
> hear
> how he
> was
> > struggling with the playing technique.
> > Best
> > JÃÆÃÆÃÆ Ã ¼rgen
> > ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ
à ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã
¢ Original Message ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ
> à ¢ÃÆ
> à ¢ÃÆ Ã ¢ÃÆ
> Ã ¢
> > On Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:38 PM,
Tristan von
> Neumann
> > <[2][3][4][10]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
wrote:
> > > But No. 12 is certainly one of the
most difficult
> pieces
> of the
> > entire
> > > literature.
> > > I guess even Paul O'Dette struggled a
lot with
> it.
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