Ah great! Thank you, I didn't think this was Irish.
I think I have a facsimile somewhere.
On 22.07.20 00:07, Ron Andrico wrote:
Calleno, or Calen O custure me, found in tablature from the Ballet lute
ms. is thought to be an Irish tune.
Several of us have foisted loads of arrangements of later Irish tunes
upon unsuspecting listeners, and Ronn McFarlane has a very nice
recording of his own arrangements played on baroque lute.
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Spanish harp in this whole mix
Now that you mention Mersenne...
[6]https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k63326258/f320.highres
But seriously, the question of how the instruments were built is
important,
but I'm really interested in the music, or more specifically, pieces
that are derived from harp playing.
I know that new tunings in England are called "harp-way" or something,
but what about earlier times?
And does anyone know genuine Irish music for Lute?
On 21.07.20 21:04, David Brown wrote:
> Hello Martyn and luters...
>
>
> As my mail client and VPN seem to insist on arguing, I'll take my
> chances of getting this outââ¬Â¦.
>
>
> Since Mudarra and Spanish harp was brought up and I was
re-reading
> Peter Holman's 1987 article in Early Music, Holman mentions the
> possibility that the painting "The Cabal", at Nostell Priory , by
J. B.
> Medina that "could be" Charles Evans with his Italian harp. I am
> certain the Spanish harp had its influences on the Italian triple
harp,
> but this harp appears to be a Spanish double. J. B. Medina was
born in
> Bruxelles to a Spanish army captain trained with a Flemish
Protrait
> painter. This might explain something about the representation of
a
> Spanish harp? What does this have to say about the Cabal?
>
>
> This is a small example of research which the word "appears" is
used.
> Appearance is in the eye of the beholder, and in this case it
"appears"
> to be a Spanish harp to me. I should be able to produce an
example of
> an extant Spanish double??? I think it is cross strungââ¬Â¦., but
laterââ¬Â¦
> Bartolomo Jovenardi needs to be put into the mix about now to
make
> things grey..
>
>
> Mersenne illustrates a triple harp that looks a bit more Spanish
and
> relays the story of the triple being invented in Naples, it
appears
> with the influence of the staved Spanish harp. This, could have
been
> his interpretation of a triple harp and possibly influenced by
the
> origin story.
>
>
> Please don't take me wrong, Holman is asking and speculating
important
> questions that need (needed in 1987) to be asked. Where would we
be if
> we didn't ask questions and speculate only to have them changed
with
> more information later? It certainly doesn't change the majority
of
> evidence that the wire strung harp was probably used in the Lawes
> consortsââ¬Â¦ The Italian harp in England early on, remains a grey
area
> with hopefully more insight to come.
>
>
> Anyway, this seems to be going way out of the lute realm and into
the
> harp area and maybe should be taken off list?ââ¬Â¦. The start was
that
> painting of the weird instrumentââ¬Â¦.
>
>
> Pardon
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
> David
>
>
>
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