The "r" is in most English lute MSS and in all the lute song prints as
well. In fact it's not an "r" at all, just another way of writing "c".
My biggest readability complaint is writing the letters on the lines
rather than between them - a habit which seems to have become quite
common with some modern editors of lute music. And just to open up a few
more worms, I find French tablature very convenient because (although I
read all kinds of tab fluently) I can write in fingerings, which can get
very confusing in Italian tab.
M
On 04/08/2020 02:27, T.J. Sellari wrote:
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From: Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
Date: Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:14 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: e vs c
To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Ah yes. I forgot about those.
I hate English prints. As if they were deliberately trying to make
things unreadable.
Morlaye is the best imho.
On 04.08.20 01:30, Denys Stephens wrote:
> Dear Sean & Tristan, the Robert Dowland âVarietie of lute lessons'
and Barley's âNew book of tablature' both have âr' for âc' although the
latter is engraved rather than typeset. I suspect that the Varietie of
lute lessons may have had an undue influence in modern times because it
was the first facsimile that many of us who were involved in lute music
in those days owned in the Scott edition.
> Best wishes, Denys
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 4 Aug 2020, at 00:02, Tristan von Neumann
<[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> Good question Sean...
>>
>> I think there's no real development in this.
>>
>> For example, Fuhrmann's Testudo Gallica&Germanica uses "on-line"
fonts,
>> and "c".
>>
>> This is very annoying sometimes if you want to play from the
facsimile...
>>
>> In manuscripts, Marsh Lute Book uses c, it's often very confusing
next
>> to the e.
>>
>> French "above line" prints from earlier decades (Morlaye, Le Roy)
also
>> use c but I find those prints very readable.
>>
>> I don't recall "r" in prints, but maybe I missed some.
>>
>>
>>> On 04.08.20 00:56, Sean Smith wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> There's a long tradition of scribing the cipher 'r' in place
of 'c' in
>>> manuscripts of lute tablature. It's quick and easy and serves
to
>>> differentiate a 'c' from an 'e'. My question is, did this
carry over
>>> into historic printed tablatures with standardized typefaces?
Can
>>> anyone suggest examples? Lute, guitar, mandora, etc?
>>> I don't recall any in Renaissance prints--tho I could easily
be
>>> wrong--but I know I don't have enough experience with baroque
>>> tablatures!
>>> Tia, Sean
>>>
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Actually, the letter that looks like an "r" is actually a "c" in
English secretary hand. That's probably why the "r" is featured in
English sources.
If you scroll down to the chart of miniscule letters here
[6]http://morristownnhpmuseum.blogspot.com/2016/10/paleography-for-ever
yone-cracking-old.html you'll see various form(s) of c.
Tom
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