On 05/13/2018 08:16 AM, Bernt Lie wrote: > 1: I agree, and I didn't say so. Essentially, my point is that > developers can not do that without compromising its OS agnostics. For > various reasons, I use Windows myself. And I have full respect for > others making different choices. I don't think the LyX list should be > used for negative description of OSes not used by oneself. > > 2: I see the point. If there are no negative side effects of upgrading > to the latest version of MikTeX, I'd do the following: > * Put in a LyX 2.3.0 installation link. > * Start by checking if the latest MikTeX version is installed. If yes, > proceed and install LyX 2.3.0 > * If not, explain why, and point to a link (youtube, or whatever) on > how the user can upgrade MikTeX and say "retry after you have upgraded > MikTeX". > > Maybe a solution?
The rest of the development team has asked for even less: Just a message explaining that MikTeX will be upgraded, with an option to cancel if one wants to do it manually or get more info. It's fine with us if the upgrade be done as part of the install, as long as the user is told. Riki > > > From: Anders Ekberg > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 13:33 > Subject: Re: The tortured release of 2.3.0 Windows binaries > To: Bernt Lie > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > > > 1 I haven’t seen any developer having any opinion on which os users > are running, they are simply stating what they are running in order to > explain the problem > > 2 the question is if you should update software (other than lyx) > *without asking the user* > > All the best! > Anders > > 13 maj 2018 kl. 10:48 skrev Bernt Lie <bernt....@usn.no > <mailto:bernt....@usn.no>>: > > > Why are people still using Windows? My firm gets along without > Gates just fine. > > I use Windows, almost all of my colleagues use Windows. I know of 1 > colleague who uses Linux - he is very computer savvy, sets up his own > system, hacks LaTeX classes, and is not interested in using LyX -- he > manages fine with his own set-up. Many LaTeX users use alternative > tools (TeXnicCenter, etc.). > -- > "Why are people still using Windows?" > > Well, fact is: our IT infrastructure is so tied up into Windows based > tools, that if the choice comes between Windows and LyX, it is LyX > that will sink -- our management thinks that Word is just fine... I > have no problems with LyX developers preferring another OS (ref: > statement that none of the developers use Windows). But if people > associated with developing a software tool goes public with opinions > like “why on earth do people still use Windows”, that would make it > impossible to advocate the use of that software to Windows users. > -- > Regarding the delay of LyX 2.3.0 for Windows -- v 2.2.3 serves me > fine, so I can wait. Still, the reason for the problem is not entirely > clear to me. > * Yes, I understand that there is a problem with MikTeX in that MikTeX > must be updated for some technical reason. > * What is not clear is why it is a problem to update MikTeX. My MikTeX > console says<image001.jpg> > > Is there a newer MikTeX version? Is the problem that a (possible) > newer version will not be backwards compatible?If I can update MikTeX > to the latest version, install LyX v. 2.3.0, and face no problem of > backwards compatibility, then I don’t see any problem. > > BL > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org <mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> > <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org <mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>> On Behalf > Of Steve Litt > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 7:49 > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org <mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> > Subject: Re: The tortured release of 2.3.0 Windows binaries > > ROFLMAO, I ask myself this all the time, on multiple mailing lists. > > On the bright side, 90% of the heartache doesn't apply to me. > > SteveT > > > On Sat, 12 May 2018 20:03:09 -0700 > John White <j...@whitelawchartered.com > <mailto:j...@whitelawchartered.com>> wrote: > > > Why are people still using Windows? My firm gets along without Gates > > just fine. > > > > John White > > > > On Friday, May 11, 2018 4:18:17 PM PDT Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > > > On 05/11/2018 03:37 PM, Jim Rockford wrote: > > > > In my 20+ years in the world of science, I have not known a single > > > > user of Lyx (~50 in total) who wasn't computer savvy. Why not > > > > just include a warning message that Lyx 2.3.0 may not function > > > > properly with MiKTeX distributions that have not been updated as > > > > recently as some specific date? > > > > > > That is more or less what was proposed by most of the development > > > team: A warning at start-up, that LyX was going to update MikTeX, > > > with an option for the user to abort the install if they wish. The > > > person responsible for the Windows packages refused to include such > > > a warning, and we did not think updating people's other software > > > without asking permission to do so was something we should do. So > > > that has left us in a bad position. > > > > > > We are working now to try to produce a Windows installer. > > > Unfortunately, none of the active development team use Windows, so > > > it is taking longer than it otherwise might. We'd certainly welcome > > > help from someone who does use Windows. > > > > > > Riki > > > > >
