Steve, I found the mComm 2.5. It's for Windows. I see.... It's install
program is called Setup250.exe!
Ok, I have a Windows computer I can use. But maybe the linux one will work
as well.
Any additional instructions for getting the ModelT to connect to the
computer running mcomm?
Curtis Vaughan | Computer Consultant
AvantGuard Computer and Security Systems
Phone: (206) 423-6979 ▪ Web: www.avantguardsystems.com
On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 3:45 PM AvantGuard Systems <
cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> wrote:
> Steve,
> I like your set up. I see mcomm 1.20 on club100, but not a 2.50 version. I
> am running linux.
>
> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Kurt%20McCullum/mComm%20Python
>
> Curtis Vaughan | Computer Consultant
> AvantGuard Computer and Security Systems
> Phone: (206) 423-6979 ▪ Web: www.avantguardsystems.com
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 3:20 PM Steve Baker <stevebake...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Curtis!
>>
>> You’re pursuing quite an adventure there, that’s for sure! I’m not sure
>> what your “ideal” situation would be, but if my setup helps then I’d be
>> happy to make a quick video and provide links to the standard cables that I
>> use (no need to rewire or create anything).
>>
>> For transferring files back and forth between the Model T and the
>> computer, my setup is from the Model T —> DB25 Male to DB9 Female cable —>
>> DB9 male to USB cable —> USB port in my computer —> mComm 2.50 program
>> (which is a really good one).
>>
>> It’s super easy to send and receive files using this setup, but if your
>> preference is to use an Android device or something, then sorry I can’t
>> help as I have not yet connected to anything fun like that. So… let me know
>> if this setup would be of any interest to you.
>>
>> Cheers and thanks,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Steve Baker
>> “Gravity brings me down…”
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2021, at 3:43 PM, AvantGuard Systems <
>> cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm re-reading the Club100 instructions and it looks like I have to
>> use the RS232 jack. That really changes things.....
>> The instructions say the best solution is to solder the wires to the DB25
>> connector. Where? The pin out makes no sense to me.
>>
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM AvantGuard Systems <
>> cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, so it seems like the easiest thing for me to try for now is using an
>>> Android device, which I have plenty of. I've installed the mcomm program
>>> from Club100's website. Now I just have to figure out the proper pin out
>>> for a DB9 cable. Let me explain.
>>> I have a Cisco DB9 to RJ45 cord.
>>> The pin out is explained here:
>>> https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/cables/serial/cisco-console-rj45-to-db9-pin/
>>> When I look at the instructions on Club100 it looks like only pins 2-8
>>> are used.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER! I'm no electrician, but I tested each pin for the DB9 to RJ45
>>> and here's how they came out. First item is the DB9 pin and the second the
>>> RJ45 from the top (the side without the clip).
>>>
>>> 1 > 2
>>> 2 nowhere
>>> 3 > 6
>>> 4 > 7
>>> 5 > 4
>>> 6 > 2
>>> 7 > 8
>>> 8 > 1
>>> 9 nowhere
>>>
>>> Looking at various Cisco charts however, it seems to me that I'm reading
>>> things completely wrong. That the RJ45 should be read not from left to
>>> right, but the other way. And this lines up more with various Cisco docs.
>>> So that get us:
>>>
>>> 1 > 7
>>> 2 nowhere
>>> 3 > 3
>>> 4 > 2
>>> 5 > 5
>>> 6 > 7
>>> 7 > 1
>>> 8 > 8
>>> 9 nowhere
>>>
>>> My question is what is the right pin out as I could rewire however I
>>> want easily. Cut off the old jack and put in a new one.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 4:58 PM Brian K. White <b.kenyo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/23/21 6:38 PM, AvantGuard Systems wrote:
>>>> > Now, I'm wondering whether there's a way to transfer files from my
>>>> > computer to the M100.....
>>>>
>>>> Many ways.
>>>>
>>>> How to decide which of the many ways depends on what your priorities
>>>> are, convenience or cost, and on what you have available for a modern
>>>> machine.
>>>>
>>>> For instance one super convenient option is there is an Android app
>>>> that
>>>> is both a TPDD server and TPDD client installer/bootstrapper. You don't
>>>> have to buy anything but the serial cable and usb adapter, but you
>>>> always need that anyway. But that's only super convenient if you happen
>>>> to have an Android phone or tablet. And I suppose only if moving files
>>>> to a phone instead of your real computer is good enough, maybe via
>>>> google drive.
>>>>
>>>> The generally most convenient and robust way is a serial cable and a
>>>> TPDD emulator and a REX#.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever other software or hardware you use, you pretty much always
>>>> need
>>>> this cable:
>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Serial_Cable
>>>>
>>>> Then there are several different things you can do that are all
>>>> different levels of convenient, reliable, binary-safe, expensive,
>>>> requiring special cables or parts or software, etc.
>>>>
>>>> You can use just the plain built-in telcom app and teraterm-pro or
>>>> putty
>>>> or really any serial comm program on the modern machine to transfer
>>>> plain text. This gets you text documents and *some* basic programs but
>>>> not all, maybe not all database/spreadsheet files either, definitely no
>>>> tokenized basic and no binary executables.
>>>> The advantage here is you don't have to buy anything but the serial
>>>> cable and usb-serial adapter, and don't have to somehow get software
>>>> installed onto the 100 the first time before you can start using it.
>>>> But
>>>> it's limited and error-prone and inconvenient.
>>>>
>>>> Better is to use a tpdd server on the modern machine and tpdd client on
>>>> the 100.
>>>>
>>>> But that requires a few more pieces, for one thing, you need to get a
>>>> tpdd client onto the 100 somehow the first time. It's a chicken and egg
>>>> problem. If you already had an easy way to transfer files to transfer
>>>> the tpdd client program, then what do you need the tpdd client program
>>>> for? If you need the tpdd client program to transfer files, then how do
>>>> you transfer the tpdd client program itself before it's installed?
>>>>
>>>> In the old days the answer was you bought the client program in the
>>>> form
>>>> of a ROM chip you plugged in to the option rom socket, or you loaded it
>>>> from cassette tape.
>>>>
>>>> Today neither of those is all that practical. They are both still
>>>> possible. There is an mp3 of the cassette file for TS-DOS (at least for
>>>> model 100/102, not all the others). So IF you had the cassette cable
>>>> you
>>>> could do that. You could build yourself a TS-DOS option rom. There are
>>>> plans and links to parts to make a totally neat little module, but it's
>>>> kind of ridiculous amount of parts and labor and tools needed for what
>>>> you get in the end. (I can say that since it's mine)
>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom
>>>>
>>>> The MOST convenient way to get a tpdd client onto the 100 is to buy a
>>>> REX# and just pop it in. That gets you TS-DOS in ROM, as well as a
>>>> whole
>>>> option rom library and memory backup device on-board. And that allows
>>>> you to use any tpdd server on the modern machine. The 3 main ones right
>>>> now are mComm, LaddieAlpha, and dlplus.
>>>> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REXsharp
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have or don't want to buy a REX# (or build your own REX
>>>> classic or Teeprom), the next-most convenient is to use a tpdd server
>>>> that includes a bootstrapper that can install a tpdd client app onto
>>>> the
>>>> 100 whenever you need to, using the same serial connection that you
>>>> need
>>>> anyway to use the tpdd client and server. mComm and dlplus include a
>>>> bootstrapper.
>>>>
>>>> And it depends what platform the modern machine is.
>>>> For Android or Windows, there is mComm.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?&direction=0&order=&directory=Kurt%20McCullum
>>>>
>>>> For Linux or Mac, there is dlplus.
>>>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus
>>>>
>>>> There is also a python version of mComm which you could run on almost
>>>> anything, but that requires a little more fiddling.
>>>>
>>>> In fact I still haven't covered everything but these are the most
>>>> practical options today.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bkw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Curtis
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 3:00 PM AvantGuard Systems
>>>> > <cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com
>>>> > <mailto:cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Steve,
>>>> > Thanks for the response! I've figured it all out finally. Just
>>>> trial
>>>> > and error until something worked. I just posted the Wifi card I'm
>>>> > using, but again it's: https://is.gd/2QfZNy <https://is.gd/2QfZNy
>>>> >
>>>> > And there's info also at: https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem
>>>> > <https://github.com/8bit-bruno/WiFiModem>
>>>> >
>>>> > Curtis
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Baker <
>>>> stevebake...@gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:stevebake...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Greetings Curtis!
>>>> >
>>>> > What type of RS232 modem do you use with the KayPro? Just
>>>> > curious as I love retro-tech and am always looking to try out
>>>> > new gear and fun stuff!
>>>> >
>>>> > Re: connecting to BBSs, Telnet sites, FTP sites, etc. using
>>>> the
>>>> > M100, one trick is to ensure the baud rate is the same on the
>>>> > Model T and the RS232-WiFi card in the Term program. There’s
>>>> no
>>>> > special dial code and it doesn’t know about the address book
>>>> (I
>>>> > wrote down my favorite BBSs, Telnet, FTP, etc.).
>>>> >
>>>> > Basically just use the “atdt host.domain:port” command and
>>>> it’ll
>>>> > connect you through techno-magic. I did recently make a quick
>>>> > video that does happen to show me connecting to one Telnet
>>>> site
>>>> > using my Tandy 102, if this is of any help. Again, your
>>>> mileage
>>>> > might vary depending on the gadget you’re using.
>>>> >
>>>> > https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4 <https://youtu.be/m_IKzoesVG4>
>>>> >
>>>> > Hope this helps, and happy to offer whatever experience and/or
>>>> > thoughts that I might have to help!
>>>> > SB
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Greetings from Steve Baker
>>>> > “Gravity brings me down…”
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Feb 23, 2021, at 4:25 PM, AvantGuard Systems
>>>> >> <cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com
>>>> >> <mailto:cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Really need to start saving my searches... anyhow, I know I
>>>> >> somewhere saw information about using a wifi modem on the
>>>> >> RS232 jack for network access.
>>>> >> I have a wifi RS232 modem for my KayPro so I thought I'd try
>>>> >> it on the M100. Any ideas about how to go about sending the
>>>> >> right dial code (I assume from the address book) to maybe
>>>> make
>>>> >> it work? Or am I just going about this all wrong....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Curtis
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bkw
>>>>
>>>
>>
