Hi Donál I absolutely agree with you. It also seems that the voices download regardless of VoiceOver. My twin's iPhone suddenly spoke with a higher quality voice when I turned on VoiceOver when I helped him last night, and that voice was not available when I used it before, nor was it plugged in when I did so.
You may already have the voice. It should be pretty easy to determine, since the premium Karen first of all is unable to pronounce her own name, so that's one way to find out. I do think, though, that you should be able to monitor the actual download of the voice as well. I don't always want them to download, since i'm multilingual in four languages if you don't count Dutch. I haven't determined if switching on the compact setting turns it off entirely, but I'd imagine that isn't the case since sighted users seem to get these too. Regards, Nic On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes Nick that has been absolutely my experience, I'm glad to see you echoing > it. I've set the voice to the Australian one, I just can't determine if the > HQ voice has downloaded. When I put the "use compact voice" on, I do hear a > difference in sound. My point wasn't so much about using (or not) the irish > voice, it was simply that surely I should have a say in whether it downloads > or not? I mean, it's my damn iPhone isn't it? Maybe I want to keep the > space taken up by the premium voice for something else? > > Sighted users have choices in their visual displays in terms of themeing them > with wall-papers etc. Why shouldn't we as blind users have the same choices > over the "visual theming"? That last bit is an extract of a mail I sent to > apple, which yet again has been ignored. > > Dónal > On 14 Oct 2011, at 09:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Donál >> >> While it will download the premium voice, simply go into >> Settings>General>Accessibility>VoiceOver and toggle the "Use compact voice" >> switch to on. If you mainly don't want the Irish voice at all, simply go >> into Settings>General>International>Region Format and select the other >> format that you wish to use, such as UNited States. If a voice is available >> for the region you select depending on the language you have, it will switch >> to that voice when selected and if plugged in and connected to Wi-Fi, the >> voice will download. Unfortunately, you don't have much control over it from >> here on, and you can't monitor its progress to ensure it's downloading. >> Apple is supposed to have fixed it so that any voice you have switched to >> via the language rotor regardless of default language is supposed to >> download, if the compact switch is set to off, but I haven't seen this work >> at all yet. Also, the default voice will continue to speak element types. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Sorry Chris don't follow you? >>> On 13 Oct 2011, at 22:14, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Yes and change the default voice in International Settings. >>>> >>>> On 13/10/2011 21:20, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Ok so if I've got this right, as soon as I plug my i-device into an AC >>>>> power outlet and assuming it's on a WIFI network, I'm going to get a >>>>> premium voice. As I may have mentioned before, the oirish one is >>>>> possibly the worst example of concatenative speech synthesis I've come >>>>> across in years. So, bluntly, is there a way to prevent apple's >>>>> nanny-state giving me a premium voice I don't want, and using up valuable >>>>> band-width I don't want to waste. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Dónal >>>>> Dónal Fitzpatrick >>>>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access@mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access@mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> >>> >>> Dónal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access@mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access@mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> > > Dónal Fitzpatrick > dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access@mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> > or at the public Mail Archive: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and > worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. 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