I am sad to say that I absolutely agree. Apple needs to concentrate on these 
everyday issues  as a matter of urgency.
  
I am afraid that, even now, I have to go back to Windows and Jaws for anything 
involving secure web pages. Even if pages load I have dreadful problems with 
passwords. The biggest feature request I would have for Voiceover would be to 
provide consistent click feedback when entering  text into secure edit boxes I 
have tried to access Nat West a few times using the Mac and Safari and have 
given up each time as the complete lack of feedback when entering password 
information is too confusing and unnerving.  oxes. Voiceover and Safari hardly 
ever achieve proper feedback on secure edit fields. . So in the last 2 days I 
tried to access GMail and the Sainsburys site. On theGMail   login I received 
only sporadic click feedback  confusing me as to whether key presses had been 
registered aor not. On the sainsbury site I received no feedback at all. In 
fact one of the few  places  I know where I have received anything like 
consistent click feedback in a password field is the App Store. E
 ven here the first key press is silent . presumably because the first letter 
of my password is capitalised.  This is one of my biggest disappointments with 
the Mac.
As you know password automaters  will not work with the Nat West site as you 
need to enter randomly selected characters from password and pin, as you do 
with payment verification systems on shopping sites. Ebay is usable as having a 
paypal account and simple login makes it far easier.  
I  am not asking for any security breaches, just for voiceover to do its job of 
providing a click every time you type in an edit field. The equivalent of the 
sighted user seeing a star. We are being badly let down here. Both NVDA and 
Jaws have no problem with providing feedback in these same edit boxes so I am 
mystified as to why this is a problem for Voiceover.
This and the apparent inability of mac wordprocessin  software to handle a 
table in a word documents are big drawbacks. As an academic I am constantly 
confronted with documents with tables in. Lots of good things about the Mac but 
these are big problems of everyday usage which need to be sorted urgently.
  
David Griffith
d.griff...@btinternet.com



On 30 Nov 2011, at 07:25, william lomas wrote:

>       hi all my online banking is still not working under mac osx lion.
> All I still get is voiceover saying safari or lighting busy when i log in. 
> if i can't use the mac to do every day tasks like this then what's the point?
> the 
> www.natwest.com
> bank i am with in the UK doesn't as far as I know have any flash. rather than 
> adding all these fancy new features like spaces and other things we can't 
> even use right apple need to address such basic issues as these, all these 
> claims of fastest web browser and stability are no good for blind consumers
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