HI Dónal, Well, back in Spring 2008 Greg Kearney posted a demo of how to use Drag and Drop with VoiceOver, and he made the video with Screenflow. This was his first effort, and he managed to only have the audio come out in one track, but the whole thing worked. Here's the message with his link, that still works, courtesy of the Mail Archive search feature: <begin quote> OK it's not the best movie in the world and I need to think this out and redo the whole thing. But here is a movie which shows dragging and dropping onto Safari from the Finder.
http://www.cucat.org/projects/voiceover/draganddrop.mov Greg Kearney <end quote> So the Screenflow app has definitely worked with VoiceOver! At least I now know that I don't have to check out Camtasia. Cheers, Esther On Nov 29, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi Esther, > > I’ve actually tried Camtasia and haven’t had much success with it. I have > also been in contact with their dev team and, to be honest the exchange was > less than fruitful. In essence they said: Yes we know it’s not fully > accessible, and if we get around to it we’ll sort it. I’ve struggled > through, and put together some less than adequate screencasts. This is why > that one jumped out at me as for my sins, I’ve never even heard of it. > > I think I’ll give it a whirl. Many thanks for this one I do appreciate it as > I have to do a lot of this kind of work over the next few weeks so it’s > rather serendipitous. > > Cheers, > > Dónal > On 29 Nov 2013, at 21:45, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Dónal, >> >> Sorry, but I don't have much current information on Camtasia. Here are a >> few comments though. For very basic video screen captures, you can just use >> QuickTime. This was discussed on list a week or so ago for audio recording >> options, and also video recording. A recent comparison review from this >> summer of Camtasia vs. Screenflow basically said both were good (they are >> both multi-track editors), so if you have one you probably don't need to get >> the other. However, the differences are that Camtasia gives more options for >> animations and annotations, and generally things that are graphics oriented >> (that I don't think VoiceOver users will make particular use of), while >> Screenflow offers more in the way of audio and video filtering (which are >> things VoiceOver users might take advantage of). The other comments are >> that Screenflow was originally designed on the Mac, while Camtasia was >> ported from Windows. The Mac version doesn't have as many features as their >> Windows version, but the pricing with Screenflow is competitive when neither >> is on sale. Someone at the Mac Rumors stated that Screenflow was more >> stable on the Mac than Camtasia, but I don't know whether that comment >> applies to Mavericks. >> >> My impression is, if you have Camtasia, and if it works well with VoiceOver, >> which I have no information about, you might stick with it. If you are >> buying a new app for video tutorials, I'd be inclined to look at Screenflow >> first, because of the known history of accessibility on the Mac with >> VoiceOver, and because the additional strengths seem more oriented to what a >> VoiceOver user might take advantage of. >> >> Both these apps have trial download versions, so you could check for >> yourself. The Mac Update site probably has the link for Camtasia, and I gave >> the Screenflow download site in my first post. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> >> On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hi Esther, >>> >>> the one that jumps out at me there is the Screenflow application. Do you >>> by any chance know how it compares to Camtasia? We can get that one for >>> free at work but I’d be more than happy to pay the 69 dollars if I thought >>> there were advantages. Given I do a lot of UI and Web Design teaching >>> something like this would be fantastic. >>> >>> Dónal >>> On 29 Nov 2013, at 13:59, Esther wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> In connection with Black Friday, the first day after U.S. Thanksgiving, >>>> when there are sales to start off the Christmas shopping season, a number >>>> of interesting sales have shown up in the Mac App Store for applications >>>> or subjects that have been recently discussed. Some of these will be for >>>> today only, some for the Friday and Saturday, and some will extend through >>>> Monday. >>>> >>>> Here are a few of the items I've noted: >>>> • ABBYY Fine Reader Express $49.99 (50% off regular price, this weekend >>>> only) >>>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/abbyy-finereader-express/id412310371?mt=12 >>>> • Checkbook Pro $11.99 (normally $24.99, on sale -- last year it was for >>>> Friday only) >>>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/checkbook-pro/id412490330?mt=12 >>>> • Audiobook Builder $1.99 (normally $5.99) >>>> http://itunes.apple.com/app/audiobook-builder/id406226796?mt=12 >>>> >>>> ABBYY Fine Reader Express for OCR has a15-day free trial download at: >>>> http://www.abbyy.com/finereader_for_mac/trial/# >>>> You can find the Splasm Software trial downloads for Checkbook Pro at: >>>> http://www.splasm.com/checkbookpro/downloads.html >>>> and for Audiobook Builder at: >>>> http://www.splasm.com/audiobookbuilder/downloads.html >>>> >>>> Looks like there is no 1Password Mac sale this year. >>>> >>>> Telestream sent out an email with a 30% discount code of "BlackCyber2013" >>>> (excluding the quotation marks) for the purchase of their products between >>>> November 27 - December 2, 2013. They make a product called Flip4Mac that >>>> lets you play Windows Media formats in QuickTime (in free and paid >>>> versions that let you encode more formats), but they also make a product >>>> called Screenflow that allows you to screen capture in video format from >>>> your Mac to do demos and presentations of app usage. I know some >>>> VoiceOver users use this software (lists for $99, would be $69.30 with the >>>> discount). Here's the Screenflow web site, which also has their free trial >>>> download link: >>>> http://www.telestream.net/screenflow/ >>>> >>>> Southern Stars also sent me links to the free versions of their SkySafari >>>> planetarium apps for both the Mac and for iOS, good from this Friday >>>> through Sunday (though the links actually started working yesterday): >>>> • SkySafari 1.8 for Mac OS X (free, regularly $4.99) >>>> https://itunes.apple.com/app/skysafari/id451895081?mt=12 >>>> I've generally used the iOS app, which is accessible for all the >>>> information parts, though I have used an older version of the Mac app, >>>> Here's the iOS app link: >>>> • SkySafari 3.8.5 for iOS (free, regularly $2.99) >>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/skysafari-3/id437108143?mt=8 >>>> >>>> They've also put their SkySafari Plus and Pro versions for Mac and iOS >>>> (and Android) on sale for 25%. 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