Hi Eleanor, As a modification of Sarah's suggestion, can you use Mouse Keys to click the buttons for "accept" and "play", with VoiceOver turned off if necessary, in order to use the web site without crashing? If the crash is caused by VoiceOver's software simulation of key clicks with VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space, using Mouse Keys to click for you (by pressing the "i" key on a laptop keyboard, or Control+the "5" key on the numeric keypad of a full-sized keyboard after Mouse Keys are turned on) might work without your even having to toggle VoiceOver off before you click.
Are both buttons for accept and play displayed on the same web page? If so, you can move to these controls without actually clicking the buttons first with VoiceOver, check their screen locations with VO-F5-F5, then figure out how many Mouse Key key presses are needed to move from one control to the other (without VoiceOver), turn VoiceOver off, and perform these actions with Mouse Keys on (but VoiceOver off). Perhaps once play has started you can turn VoiceOver back on again. You will need to go to System Preferences > Accessibility and select "Mouse & Trackpad" in the accessibility features table, then instead of simply checking the "Enable Mouse Keys" check box, navigate to the "Options" button and press it, then check the box for "Press the Option key five times to toggle Mouse Keys" and press return (or navigate to the "Done" button). This will let you toggle mouse keys on or off by pressing the Option key 5 times. Mouse Keys are designed to allow people with motor disabilities to perform precise actions requiring fine control, such as moving mouse cursors or clicking their mouse or trackpad, with keyboard controls. I've only used it with VoiceOver in a few situations. The first is when a physical mouse click with trackpad or cursor is required. The VO-Shift-Space shortcut is a simulated mouse click implemented by software. The VO-Space shortcut is another software defined shortcut that performs the default action -- which could be pressing a button, clicking on link, selecting a menu option, etc. depending on context. There are some instances, especially in situations where applications are not fully accessible or are transitioning in accessibility with VoiceOver, where these kinds of "software" clicks do not work, and you have to physically click your trackpad or mouse for your click to take effect. In these instances, performing a click with "Mouse Keys" mode turned on is equi valent to physically clicking with mouse or trackpad. The NumPad Commander keyboard shortcut for a key click, of Control + "5" on the numeric keypad will also work. It's possible the software emulation of your keyclicks is causing your crashes, so either performing a click with Mouse Keys, even with VoiceOver turned on, might solve your problem. And if having VoiceOver after the key is pressed causes your crash, you might be able to move to each control and press it entirely using Mouse Keys but keeping VoiceOver turned off. In addition to allowing users to click a mouse or trackpad without moving the position of the mouse pointer, Mouse Keys mode lets you move the mouse pointer position on the screen in pixel increments by using key strokes. So the second circumstance in which I've used Mouse Keys is for instances when I need to move the mouse pointer to locations that VoiceOver doesn't navigate to, in order to click on controls. The most common example of this usage is when trying to deal with flash controls on a web page. VoiceOver can't "see" these controls, in the sense that you can't use VoiceOver commands to navigate to them, since Adobe's Flash does not comply with Apple's accessibility API. However, if you manage to move your mouse pointer over a flash control independently of using VoiceOver's cursor, because you've turned cursor tracking off (with VO-Shift-F3), VoiceOver can tell you what is under your mouse pointer (with VO-F5, or by checking the box for "Speak text under mouse after delay" in the "Announcements" tab of "Verbosity" in VoiceOver Utility) and will even describe the screen coordinate location of your mouse pointer (VO-F5-F5 or VO-F5-F5-F5). So the way I used to play the Audible audio book sound samples before they changed their web pages from Flash only to HTML 5 versions was by navigating to "Sample" with VoiceOver, then turning keyboard tracking off, and Mouse Keys on, and moving the mouse pointer 50 pixels to the left of "Sample" so that the player control was under the mouse pointer. Then I would click to start the sample playing. On extended keyboards, Mouse Keys uses the numeric keypad, with the central "5" key to designate the current position of the mouse. To move the mouse pointer 1 pixel to the left, you press the key the left of the "5" key once, and similarly if you want to move to the right, up, down. or diagonally. You use the nine number keys (1-9, with 5 in the central position), to move your cursor, pixel by pixel. On a laptop keyboard, the keys you use are where the embedded numeric keypad used to be -- surrounding the "i" key. So "j k l" was "1 2 3", "u i o" was "4 5 6", and "7 8 9" (on the top row of number keys) was "7 8 9". To move to the left I tap the "u" key with Mouse Keys on. To move to the right I tap the "o" key. And to click my "mouse" I tap the "i" key when Mouse Keys are turned on. Note that you can also move your mouse pointer using the trackpad (when TrackPad Commander in turned off) if cursor tracking is turned off. If you have the box checked for "Speak text under mouse after delay" in the "Announcements" tab of "Verbosity" in VoiceOver Utility, you'll also be told what is under the mouse. (You may want to adjust the slider to make the time delay short). This does not require using Mouse Keys at all. To announce the position of your mouse cursor, you can use VO-F5-F5 or VO-F5-F5-F5. (The first gives coordinates with respect to the top left corner of your screen, the second gives coordinates with respect to the top left corner of your window). To use this feature, I also set my VoiceOver Utility Verbosity > Announcements tab so the pop up following "Speak size and position" is set to "points" instead of "inches" or "millimeters". Then the announced coordinates are pixels on the screen. If you can figure out how many pixel key presses in the x and y direction to move between the two controls you need to press, you only have to work this out once, and then use Mouse keys to move to the screen controls and perform the click (even with VoiceOver off). It's a pain to press a key 50 or 60 times, but at least it works. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jun 28, 2014, at 12:34 PM, eleanor martha burke wrote: > not quite David I need to hit the accept button and then the screen will > change and I then need to hit a play button > > Eleanor Martha Burke > >> On 28 Jun 2014, at 23:20, "David Griffith" <d.griff...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> Yes but with Sarah's suggestion Voiceover cannot crash because the whole >> point is that she suggests you turn it off. >> Her suggestion is that you use Voiceover to route the mouse to the relevant >> button. >> then once the mouse is routed to the button turn Voiceover off. >> Then physically click the Trackpad which should logically start the Video >> playing. >> Once the Video is finished you can press command W to close the Window and >> then you should be able to restart Voiceover without the problem of busy >> messages. >> >> Not perfect and it sounds like you should refer this to >> accessibil...@apple.com to look at this. >> >> I think they do sort out some problems. After contacting them about a >> problem on using Verified by Visa payments I find I can now do this so it is >> possible that they responded to my query. >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of eleanor martha burke >> Sent: 28 June 2014 20:13 >> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Accessing Oopen University Online Tutorial Recording with Mac >> Problem >> >> not really because when I click on play with VO on it then crashes >> >> Eleanor Martha Burke >> >>> On 28 Jun 2014, at 19:36, Sarah k Alawami <marri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Can you rouge the curser to the play button shut off vo and cick the >> mouse? Tha'ts all I can give for now. >>> >>> Good luck. >>>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke >> <eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, I have encountered a problem with my Mac and Voice Over. My Open >> University tutorial recordings are available to listen to after the live >> tutorial and are accessable via the Mac but regretably I am unable to access >> them as the programme crashes with Voice Over. Take Voice Over off and a >> sighted person can just click on the play button. Any suggestions please. I >> could provide a link with other information if someone feels they could >> assist me off list so please write to eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: <http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html> or at the public Mail Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. 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